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Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. I ([[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]) am the self-appointed guy in charge of keeping this wiki page (the reason being I was the guy who went through with its making and also who kicked enough butts to make the project fly when it was stalled). Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) '''don't forget to sign!''' To sign, press the button that looks like a signature above the edit box, or simply type <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. | Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. I ([[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]])) am the self-appointed guy in charge of keeping this wiki page (the reason being I was the guy who went through with its making and also who kicked enough butts to make the project fly when it was stalled). Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) '''don't forget to sign!''' To sign, press the button that looks like a signature above the edit box, or simply type <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. | ||
This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements_Dev/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean. There shouldn't be anything useful there, and if it's still there no one really knows why. Maybe because no one bothered deleting it. | This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements_Dev/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean. There shouldn't be anything useful there, and if it's still there no one really knows why. Maybe because no one bothered deleting it. | ||
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As of 2012-10-12 or the next day, depending on your timezone, this page also has a new section for creator and anime achievements suggestion, to avoid further clutter. This means I've also moved stuff around again, which is an error-prone monkey work. I'm human and I make mistakes, and even though I checked everything many times some issues may have slipped; if you find that I did something wrong, please fix it. Please help keep this page organized by keeping your replies organized and posting in the proper section. Thank you. | As of 2012-10-12 or the next day, depending on your timezone, this page also has a new section for creator and anime achievements suggestion, to avoid further clutter. This means I've also moved stuff around again, which is an error-prone monkey work. I'm human and I make mistakes, and even though I checked everything many times some issues may have slipped; if you find that I did something wrong, please fix it. Please help keep this page organized by keeping your replies organized and posting in the proper section. Thank you. | ||
--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
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* [[User:Der Idiot|Der Idiot]] doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | * [[User:Der Idiot|Der Idiot]] doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a person with 10000 granted creqs and 200 denied ones (ratio 50) would be on level 8; with one more granted and one more denied creq, they would be set back to level 7, due to the ratio dropping to circa 49.756. Currently, they'd need a ton of more denied creqs to fall back to level 7. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | * For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a person with 10000 granted creqs and 200 denied ones (ratio 50) would be on level 8; with one more granted and one more denied creq, they would be set back to level 7, due to the ratio dropping to circa 49.756. Currently, they'd need a ton of more denied creqs to fall back to level 7. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ||
** Fixed a glaring math issue which escaped me for all this time, duh. Also just as a reminder: I'm saying I think both ratio ''and'' difference should act as constraints, not ''just'' ratio. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** Fixed a glaring math issue which escaped me for all this time, duh. Also just as a reminder: I'm saying I think both ratio ''and'' difference should act as constraints, not ''just'' ratio. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | * For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ||
* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s) | * Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s) | ||
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s) | * Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s) | ||
** Though [[User:Der Idiot|Der Idiot]] is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ** Though [[User:Der Idiot|Der Idiot]] is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | *** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | *** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author | * Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author | ||
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** This idea doesn't seem quit right, it could lead to every anidb member trying to create a club in order to get it, leading to a massive number of clubs that are the same and scattered around with a low number of members. It has the felling of "I want the biggest number of follower" facebook like, sorry for the analogy. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ** This idea doesn't seem quit right, it could lead to every anidb member trying to create a club in order to get it, leading to a massive number of clubs that are the same and scattered around with a low number of members. It has the felling of "I want the biggest number of follower" facebook like, sorry for the analogy. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ||
*** Fair point. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | *** Fair point. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
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* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | * How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | *** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | **** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]] | *** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]] | ||
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]] | **** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]] | ||
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* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC | * "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC | ||
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] | ** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] | ||
** I believe it doesn't need to be that divided, audience categories should be simple. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ** I believe it doesn't need to be that divided, audience categories should be simple. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ||
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* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]] | * Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ||
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | *** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | *** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] | * Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] | ||
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
** Doesn't fell quit right, people can still watch anime but only add the episode to their list after some time, instead off adding a single episode at a time, they mass add at the end of the series. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ** Doesn't fell quit right, people can still watch anime but only add the episode to their list after some time, instead off adding a single episode at a time, they mass add at the end of the series. --[[User:microdark|microdark]] | ||
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* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + modreport checker/language verifier, adv. user, * maintainer , * creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]] | * I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + modreport checker/language verifier, adv. user, * maintainer , * creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]] | ||
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]] | * I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]] | ||
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | *** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC | **** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC | ||
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] | ||
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* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | * How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | ||
** I'm afraid I really fail to see the point of this one. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I'm afraid I really fail to see the point of this one. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]] | * How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]] | ||
** Viable only for major genres, but I suppose it's a nice idea for them. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** Viable only for major genres, but I suppose it's a nice idea for them. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* How about an achievements based on the user's favorite characters? User would first need to have some arbitrary number of favorite characters (say 10), and would then receive a badge if over 50% of favorited characters have a specific tag or property. Examples: Christmas Cake Eater (milf), Connoisseur (loli), Mechanic (mecha), Animal Lover (animal ears), Secondary Demographics (magical girl), Queen's Worshiper (voiced by Kugimiya Rie) etc. Wouldn't be too exploitable since it would be based on a percentage, rather than an absolute number of characters in favorites. --[[User:Azaghal|Azaghal]] 23:21, 22 February 2012 (CET) | * How about an achievements based on the user's favorite characters? User would first need to have some arbitrary number of favorite characters (say 10), and would then receive a badge if over 50% of favorited characters have a specific tag or property. Examples: Christmas Cake Eater (milf), Connoisseur (loli), Mechanic (mecha), Animal Lover (animal ears), Secondary Demographics (magical girl), Queen's Worshiper (voiced by Kugimiya Rie) etc. Wouldn't be too exploitable since it would be based on a percentage, rather than an absolute number of characters in favorites. --[[User:Azaghal|Azaghal]] 23:21, 22 February 2012 (CET) | ||
** That's not really an achievement, that's a preference. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** That's not really an achievement, that's a preference. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* Timestamps: for badges with levels, I'd like that tooltips could show when the first level was achieved (for any new badges received after achievements were implemented). Or even better if the user could see all the timestamps (unless duplicate) from the main tooltip or from the different level indicators. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | * Timestamps: for badges with levels, I'd like that tooltips could show when the first level was achieved (for any new badges received after achievements were implemented). Or even better if the user could see all the timestamps (unless duplicate) from the main tooltip or from the different level indicators. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | ||
** I think it's pointless. I already think the tooltip date is pointless. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I think it's pointless. I already think the tooltip date is pointless. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
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** I second that, but to put it under stats tab may create some issues with the size and pictures used for the badges, unless you don't want the pictures. Perhaps you could make it possible to shuffle the clubs/achievements/favourites to the users preference. I don't know if this is possible via CSS already but for the ones who don't know much about stylesheets this may be useful. --[[User:Fendweller|Fendweller]] | ** I second that, but to put it under stats tab may create some issues with the size and pictures used for the badges, unless you don't want the pictures. Perhaps you could make it possible to shuffle the clubs/achievements/favourites to the users preference. I don't know if this is possible via CSS already but for the ones who don't know much about stylesheets this may be useful. --[[User:Fendweller|Fendweller]] | ||
** A related separate suggestion: make the categories collapsible boxes. Instantenously saves up space and the data is still behind one (a few) clicks. [[User:Soulweaver|Soulweaver]] 14:48, 23 April 2012 (CEST) | ** A related separate suggestion: make the categories collapsible boxes. Instantenously saves up space and the data is still behind one (a few) clicks. [[User:Soulweaver|Soulweaver]] 14:48, 23 April 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** Collapsible boxes are a nice idea. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | *** Collapsible boxes are a nice idea. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* An interesting addition to the Mylist achievements would be a badge for having seen anime from different production years (from My Reports section). For example, you get your first bar on the badge for having seen anime from 10 different production years, 2 for 20 etc... --[[User:nisei7|nisei7]] | * An interesting addition to the Mylist achievements would be a badge for having seen anime from different production years (from My Reports section). For example, you get your first bar on the badge for having seen anime from 10 different production years, 2 for 20 etc... --[[User:nisei7|nisei7]] | ||
** I don't know about interesting, but I think it'd be a pain to implement and even to decide on parameters on. I see possible technical difficulties. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I don't know about interesting, but I think it'd be a pain to implement and even to decide on parameters on. I see possible technical difficulties. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** Interesting from the point that it would encourage more people to watch much older shows and see the evolution of Japanese animation through the years. As for the technical difficulties, I can definitely respect that, not only for the implementation, but for the computational load of the server as well. Some suggestions in case you bother with it: 1) The calculation should be a percentage of the total number of production years. There are currently 92 different production years. This number changes only once per year (It is very difficult for new entries from the missing years of the '20's, '40's and 50's to be added, if there are any) . So, there is no need to make the system calculate it every single time. It's a number you can set manually in the code and change it once per year. The calculation of the number of production years for every user has already been implemented in "My Reports". (But,I'm certain these are things you have already thought of. Maybe there are some more complicated issues. After all, I have done very little programming in my life to be of any more help). 2) The percentages should be kept the same e.x. I have seen from 76 different years so I would be a Level 7. 3) I don't think a special constraint would be a good idea (e.x. having seen at least 5 anime from that year) as it would be unfair (there is only one entry for some years) --[[User:nisei7|nisei7]] | *** Interesting from the point that it would encourage more people to watch much older shows and see the evolution of Japanese animation through the years. As for the technical difficulties, I can definitely respect that, not only for the implementation, but for the computational load of the server as well. Some suggestions in case you bother with it: 1) The calculation should be a percentage of the total number of production years. There are currently 92 different production years. This number changes only once per year (It is very difficult for new entries from the missing years of the '20's, '40's and 50's to be added, if there are any) . So, there is no need to make the system calculate it every single time. It's a number you can set manually in the code and change it once per year. The calculation of the number of production years for every user has already been implemented in "My Reports". (But,I'm certain these are things you have already thought of. Maybe there are some more complicated issues. After all, I have done very little programming in my life to be of any more help). 2) The percentages should be kept the same e.x. I have seen from 76 different years so I would be a Level 7. 3) I don't think a special constraint would be a good idea (e.x. having seen at least 5 anime from that year) as it would be unfair (there is only one entry for some years) --[[User:nisei7|nisei7]] | ||
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** For adding an '''anime description'''. (Maybe restrict it to actually writing one. Not sure how much bother it is to parse "- written by XYZ" is.) | ** For adding an '''anime description'''. (Maybe restrict it to actually writing one. Not sure how much bother it is to parse "- written by XYZ" is.) | ||
** There are probably many more "contribution achievements", just mentioned those I normally look into. --[[User:Foo2|foo2]] | ** There are probably many more "contribution achievements", just mentioned those I normally look into. --[[User:Foo2|foo2]] | ||
*** The tag/category suggestions are bad for now. We're working on the new tag system and it would be pointless. Furthermore, anything that passes through adding without mod control is bound to be abused and to create more issues. As for adding anime descriptions, considering I've written many descriptions for lots of stuff (anime, tags, chars, and so on) and never added "written by Hinoe" to my description, I'd say it's nearly impossible. That's more akin to something a mod might manually award to users who do that often. In addition, I think "fixing content" is covered by the creq award to some extent, and it's really hard to make a system figure out what's a minor description fix and what's a major overhaul or a complete rewrite. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | *** The tag/category suggestions are bad for now. We're working on the new tag system and it would be pointless. Furthermore, anything that passes through adding without mod control is bound to be abused and to create more issues. As for adding anime descriptions, considering I've written many descriptions for lots of stuff (anime, tags, chars, and so on) and never added "written by Hinoe" to my description, I'd say it's nearly impossible. That's more akin to something a mod might manually award to users who do that often. In addition, I think "fixing content" is covered by the creq award to some extent, and it's really hard to make a system figure out what's a minor description fix and what's a major overhaul or a complete rewrite. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
* Obscurity Award - Obscure anime defined as having a user count from 10 to 500 and an ended date at least a one year prior to the present. Maximum achievement awarded for watching half of all obscure anime. Steps by standard percentages. The numbers are somewhat arbitrary and up for discussion. Anime with very few users are often almost impossible to find and counting them would be pointless. The moving wall of one year is to exclude shows that are simply new, not obscure. [[User:Reuther|Reuther]] | * Obscurity Award - Obscure anime defined as having a user count from 10 to 500 and an ended date at least a one year prior to the present. Maximum achievement awarded for watching half of all obscure anime. Steps by standard percentages. The numbers are somewhat arbitrary and up for discussion. Anime with very few users are often almost impossible to find and counting them would be pointless. The moving wall of one year is to exclude shows that are simply new, not obscure. [[User:Reuther|Reuther]] | ||
** I like it. Available English language subs for the entire anime are a must, and solve the issue of "very" few users (also fixing the reason for 50% instead of 100% imo). As you said, the numbers are arbitrary and up for discussion, but I like one year from the end date. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I like it. Available English language subs for the entire anime are a must, and solve the issue of "very" few users (also fixing the reason for 50% instead of 100% imo). As you said, the numbers are arbitrary and up for discussion, but I like one year from the end date. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
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* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC | * Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC | ||
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
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* Also perhaps a separate badge for everything [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=40 Hayao Miyazaki] has ever worked on, including his early stuff? --[[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:43, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | * Also perhaps a separate badge for everything [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=40 Hayao Miyazaki] has ever worked on, including his early stuff? --[[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:43, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
** The overlap with Ghibli is too big. This might be one to keep in mind for after a system rewrite allows more advanced stuff, but right now there is too little a point, I think. Watching his movies is essentially two achievements for the price of one. :) Though, of course, with how prolific he is, that isn't necessarily a big problem. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ** The overlap with Ghibli is too big. This might be one to keep in mind for after a system rewrite allows more advanced stuff, but right now there is too little a point, I think. Watching his movies is essentially two achievements for the price of one. :) Though, of course, with how prolific he is, that isn't necessarily a big problem. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ||
*** The more advanced system | *** The more advanced system isn't happening so this goes back to being an idea. I'm not sure I like it, but whatever. Just saying it to "deshoot up" (??) the idea I shot down earlier. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
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* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | * Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | ||
** I'm in support of a Noitamina badge. [[User:Soulweaver|Soulweaver]] 14:48, 23 April 2012 (CEST) | ** I'm in support of a Noitamina badge. [[User:Soulweaver|Soulweaver]] 14:48, 23 April 2012 (CEST) | ||
** I don't know what to file this under, tbh. I'm leaving it under anime/creator for now. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:16, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I don't know what to file this under, tbh. I'm leaving it under anime/creator for now. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:16, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | *** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | ||
**** There might be one in the future, see the other section. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | **** There might be one in the future, see the other section. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
* Not particularly interested in noitaminA, but I'd like a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=6905 Young Animator Training Project] badge. Because it's really cool stuff. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:48, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | * Not particularly interested in noitaminA, but I'd like a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=6905 Young Animator Training Project] badge. Because it's really cool stuff. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 03:48, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
** Context: my suggestion was originally said in response to the noitaminA suggestion above. [[User:Worf|Worf]]'s response below is a copy of the one he gave there, just for good measure. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ** Context: my suggestion was originally said in response to the noitaminA suggestion above. [[User:Worf|Worf]]'s response below is a copy of the one he gave there, just for good measure. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ||
** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET). | ** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET). | ||
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* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author | * [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author | ||
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | ** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]] | ||
*** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | *** There is currently no way to award watching anime that have a certain tag. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | ||
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* I'm... not quite sure how this hasn't been suggested before, but I'd like to see an achievement for SHAFT shows under Shinbou's style. I took the liberty of checking the entire list of shows that credit Shinbou as either director or chief director, and the list of shows with Animation Work credits for SHAFT, and of crossing them over to see the results. It appears to me that the shows they create are only memorable in any manner (good or bad, depending on your taste) when SHAFT is doing what Shinbou wants, and when Shinbou can make SHAFT do what he wants. The rest is like Evangelion without Anno Hideaki; it might be good, but it's radically different. As such, I'd like a badge for shows that fulfill both: 1) Animation Work credits for SHAFT; and 2) either Direction or Chief Direction credits for Shinbou. Opinions on this (rather unusual, I know) suggestion? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 24 February 2013 (CET) | * I'm... not quite sure how this hasn't been suggested before, but I'd like to see an achievement for SHAFT shows under Shinbou's style. I took the liberty of checking the entire list of shows that credit Shinbou as either director or chief director, and the list of shows with Animation Work credits for SHAFT, and of crossing them over to see the results. It appears to me that the shows they create are only memorable in any manner (good or bad, depending on your taste) when SHAFT is doing what Shinbou wants, and when Shinbou can make SHAFT do what he wants. The rest is like Evangelion without Anno Hideaki; it might be good, but it's radically different. As such, I'd like a badge for shows that fulfill both: 1) Animation Work credits for SHAFT; and 2) either Direction or Chief Direction credits for Shinbou. Opinions on this (rather unusual, I know) suggestion? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 24 February 2013 (CET) | ||
** Not doable at the moment. Well, it would be doable but someone would have to create that list manually. And keep it updated. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:33, 28 February 2013 (CET) | ** Not doable at the moment. Well, it would be doable but someone would have to create that list manually. And keep it updated. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:33, 28 February 2013 (CET) | ||
*** Moved the rest of this discussion to a more fitting section, namely that of the denied ideas since that's what a talk on IRC made clear. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | *** Moved the rest of this discussion to a more fitting section, namely that of the denied ideas since that's what a talk on IRC made clear. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
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* And a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=718 Gainax] studio (as 製作 animation production) one. --[[User:Ryuurei|Ryuurei]] | * And a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=718 Gainax] studio (as 製作 animation production) one. --[[User:Ryuurei|Ryuurei]] | ||
** This is a case similar to the SHAFT one. There were a select few brains making Gainax good. Today they're with Khara or Trigger and Gainax is a ghost of itself. I'd sooner prefer an achievement on the creators that made Gainax good, or a Gainax-with-person-so-and-so achievement when (if) it becomes possible. Be it SHAFT alone or Gainax alone, I see no reason. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ** This is a case similar to the SHAFT one. There were a select few brains making Gainax good. Today they're with Khara or Trigger and Gainax is a ghost of itself. I'd sooner prefer an achievement on the creators that made Gainax good, or a Gainax-with-person-so-and-so achievement when (if) it becomes possible. Be it SHAFT alone or Gainax alone, I see no reason. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ||
*** The mixed creator thing isn't happening but I'm still against. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | *** The mixed creator thing isn't happening but I'm still against this idea. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
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* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]] | * Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ||
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]] | ||
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | *** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
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* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | * I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
** I agree with nwa's points, choosing a certain set of anime's for a genre badge will always leave out some people, and thus the complaining begins. BartS has a good point, it would be better to consider all anime entries with a max weight in a certain category. Making it a badge/achievement based on total percentage watched will be impossible in this case, but you could set a certain amount of anime watched of the genre a prerequisite for being able to get the badge. --[[User:Fendweller|Fendweller]] | ** I agree with nwa's points, choosing a certain set of anime's for a genre badge will always leave out some people, and thus the complaining begins. BartS has a good point, it would be better to consider all anime entries with a max weight in a certain category. Making it a badge/achievement based on total percentage watched will be impossible in this case, but you could set a certain amount of anime watched of the genre a prerequisite for being able to get the badge. --[[User:Fendweller|Fendweller]] | ||
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* [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified. | * [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified. | ||
** Note: this was originally an Aria Badge suggestion, but JQF reformulated it into a suggestion on the Genre Pack suggestion, so I moved it here and rewrote. The original writing can still be found in history. Just look before 2012-10-12. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:24, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** Note: this was originally an Aria Badge suggestion, but JQF reformulated it into a suggestion on the Genre Pack suggestion, so I moved it here and rewrote. The original writing can still be found in history. Just look before 2012-10-12. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:24, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
** Aria the Animation | ** Aria the Animation | ||
** Hidamari Sketch | ** Hidamari Sketch | ||
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* Bleach and Naruto badges? I'm not a fan of either series, but they are big. --[[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] | * Bleach and Naruto badges? I'm not a fan of either series, but they are big. --[[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] | ||
** I think they were denied on account of being shitty. Don't quote me on it, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:09, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** I think they were denied on account of being shitty. Don't quote me on it, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:09, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** Denied (again) by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | *** Denied (again) by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | ||
* Watching a film in a theater. While I know people could cheat on this, of course they can cheat on everything else. I think it would be pretty cool, especially with the current Ghibli showings. [[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:51, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | * Watching a film in a theater. While I know people could cheat on this, of course they can cheat on everything else. I think it would be pretty cool, especially with the current Ghibli showings. [[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:51, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
** No. Please. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** No. Please. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | *** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | ||
* Having a certain percentage of your anime on DVD. This might actually help the industry... [[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:51, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | * Having a certain percentage of your anime on DVD. This might actually help the industry... [[User:Megumi komeshi|Megumi komeshi]] 01:51, 1 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
** No. Please. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ** No. Please. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 04:08, 13 October 2012 (CEST) | ||
*** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | *** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | ||
* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | * "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | ||
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | ** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | *** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]] | ||
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] | **** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) | ||
***** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | ***** Denied by [[User:Worf|Worf]] on 24 February 2013. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 08:17, 1 February 2014 (CET) | ||
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* This references a talk in another section, CTRL+F for Shinbou or SHAFT for more info. Moved here because it's a dead feature request. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | * This references a talk in another section, CTRL+F for Shinbou or SHAFT for more info. Moved here because it's a dead feature request. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
** TL;DR a list that took two creators into account or did any sort of creator math would have to be manually created. [[User:Ommina|ommina]] says it's not going to happen as an automatic feature without much work. Manually updating such a list is '''highly''' problematic because it requires a pretty high access level (file-based, no admin frontend to the system, one not happening this century despite my arguments in support of one) so it's not gonna happen either. Just below is an older talk to between worf and myself which is stored for reference purposes only since it's pretty useless by now. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ** TL;DR a list that took two creators into account or did any sort of creator math would have to be manually created. [[User:Ommina|ommina]] says it's not going to happen as an automatic feature without much work. Manually updating such a list is '''highly''' problematic because it requires a pretty high access level (file-based, no admin frontend to the system, one not happening this century despite my arguments in support of one) so it's not gonna happen either. Just below is an older talk to between worf and myself which is stored for reference purposes only since it's pretty useless by now. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||
*** You mean like [[Achievements_Dev/Shinbou-SHAFT_Achievement|this]]? :) --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 05:30, 28 February 2013 (CET) | *** You mean like [[Achievements_Dev/Shinbou-SHAFT_Achievement|this]]? :) --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 05:30, 28 February 2013 (CET) | ||
**** Yeah, except your list isn't very useful. And keeping it up2date and feeding it to the achievement system automatically is also not going to work. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 22:56, 28 February 2013 (CET) | **** Yeah, except your list isn't very useful. And keeping it up2date and feeding it to the achievement system automatically is also not going to work. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 22:56, 28 February 2013 (CET) | ||
***** Yeah, uhh, do you want it done manually or automatically? If you say it needs to be done manually and then complain it won't work automatically, you're not making much sense. If the problem is I'm using names rather than IDs, however, that was simply how I had made the list back when I needed it; converting it to IDs is a bit on the annoying monkey work side, but it needs to be done just once and it's not a lot of entries anyway. I still would rather simply use some manner of query to make it all automatic (are you ''sure'' we can't get that to be automatic?), but hey, can't have a party every day. (If all else fails, just make a badge for either, or maybe one for each.) --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 09:02, 1 March 2013 (CET) | ***** Yeah, uhh, do you want it done manually or automatically? If you say it needs to be done manually and then complain it won't work automatically, you're not making much sense. If the problem is I'm using names rather than IDs, however, that was simply how I had made the list back when I needed it; converting it to IDs is a bit on the annoying monkey work side, but it needs to be done just once and it's not a lot of entries anyway. I still would rather simply use some manner of query to make it all automatic (are you ''sure'' we can't get that to be automatic?), but hey, can't have a party every day. (If all else fails, just make a badge for either, or maybe one for each.) --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 09:02, 1 March 2013 (CET) | ||
****** The problem is that the script responsible for the badges can't handle such complex cases. It can handle either "a list of AID", "all related anime to a given AID" or "all anime with a certain creditID for a given creatorID". So someone would have to provide a list of AIDs that would need to be hardcoded into the config. This method would mean that manual updating of the config is required - every time a new anime (or credit) gets added that would fall into this group. This is simply not practical (you remember the people complaining that some creator badges had a wrong count because some new anime wasn't included? That's why.) Of course this could be made automatic, like it was done for Creators. But you should be well aware of the problems that come with trying to kick other people into doing some work. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | ****** The problem is that the script responsible for the badges can't handle such complex cases. It can handle either "a list of AID", "all related anime to a given AID" or "all anime with a certain creditID for a given creatorID". So someone would have to provide a list of AIDs that would need to be hardcoded into the config. This method would mean that manual updating of the config is required - every time a new anime (or credit) gets added that would fall into this group. This is simply not practical (you remember the people complaining that some creator badges had a wrong count because some new anime wasn't included? That's why.) Of course this could be made automatic, like it was done for Creators. But you should be well aware of the problems that come with trying to kick other people into doing some work. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:16, 3 March 2013 (CET) | ||
******* Yeah, there's a problem with that kicking people into work thing. I'm afraid I can't really help there. Can we have that sort of feature into a wishlist, if nothing else? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ******* Yeah, there's a problem with that kicking people into work thing. I'm afraid I can't really help there. Can we have that sort of feature into a wishlist, if nothing else? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:25, 27 January 2014 (CET) | ||
******** Just because people only check the last reply, I'll say again: feature not going to happen, use just one of the creators for now, or whatever really. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ******** Just because people only check the last reply, I'll say again: feature not going to happen, use just one of the creators for now, or whatever really. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] ([[User talk:Hinoe|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2014 (CET) | ||