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* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
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* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
 
* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
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** Though [[User:Der Idiot|Der Idiot]] is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
 
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
 
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
 
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
 
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

Revision as of 00:09, 23 February 2012

General information

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.


This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible here. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.


Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general

  • Der Idiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --Hinoe


  • For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --Hinoe
    • I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --msr


  • For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --Hinoe
    • The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --msr


  • Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
    • I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --Hinoe


  • Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
    • Though Der Idiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --Shitenshi
      • In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --Hinoe
      • Ok, I was thinking about this, and I really think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --Hinoe


  • World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched --unknown author
    • I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --Hinoe
    • I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --JQF


  • Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
    • Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --Hinoe
    • Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --Hinoe


  • Let's not forget a Wakamoto badge. --Chroniko on IRC
    • I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --Hinoe
    • Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --Hinoe


  • we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --Indy13 on IRC.
    • I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --Indy13
    • If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --Shitenshi


  • How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --Shitenshi
    • I really like this one too. --Hinoe
    • On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --Hinoe
      • I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --Shitenshi
        • The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing against adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --Hinoe
      • This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --Nwa
        • I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --Worf


  • "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&msr on IRC
    • We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --Hinoe
    • I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --ommina


  • Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --msr
    • I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --Hinoe
      • Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't look like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --Hinoe
      • Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --Shitenshi


  • Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --Hoerie
    • Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --Hinoe
    • How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --Shitenshi


  • I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "user rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + modreport checker/language verifier, adv. user, * maintainer , * creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --BartS
    • Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --Hinoe


  • I also think the numbers for eps in mylist , files in mylist , watched eps and size of mylist are too low compared to anime in mylist. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the Mylist Achievments[1] need some adjustment IMO. --BartS
    • I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --Hinoe
      • Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --Hinoe
        • (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --Worf on IRC
    • I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --Shitenshi


  • "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --Xenodor
    • Why the hell would you want that? --Hinoe
      • Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --Xenodor
        • While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --Hinoe


  • I think there should be a Kon Satoshi Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --JQF


  • I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a Iyashi-kei Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
    • 1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --JQF



  • How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --JQF


  • How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. --greeksot


  • Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman --JQF


  • How about an achievements based on the user's favorite characters? User would first need to have some arbitrary number of favorite characters (say 10), and would then receive a badge if over 50% of favorited characters have a specific tag or property. Examples: Christmas Cake Eater (milf), Connoisseur (loli), Mechanic (mecha), Animal Lover (animal ears), Secondary Demographics (magical girl), Queen's Worshiper (voiced by Kugimiya Rie) etc. Wouldn't be too exploitable since it would be based on a percentage, rather than an absolute number of characters in favorites. --Azaghal 23:21, 22 February 2012 (CET)

Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.


  • Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --msr
    • Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --msr
      • I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --Hinoe
    • How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --Hinoe
    • The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --Hinoe


  • Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC


  • I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --nwa
    • While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal case would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.--BartS


  • I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --Hinoe


Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs

Those are the initial suggestions from msr unless otherwise specified.

  • Adventure
    • Master Keaton
    • While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --Shitenshi
    • Spice and Wolf --JQF
    • Nausicaa --JQF
    • Katanagatari --JQF
    • Kino's Journey --JQF
    • Future Boy Conan --JQF
    • R.O.D --JQF
    • Welcome to the Space Show --JQF
    • Mujin Wakusei Survive --JQF
    • Michiko to Hatchin --JQF
    • Nadia: Secret of Blue Water --JQF
  • Horror
    • Hellsing
    • Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --Shitenshi
    • Shiki --JQF
    • When They Cry - Higurashi --JQF
    • Elfen Lied --JQF
    • Hell Girl --JQF
  • Sports
    • Hajime no Ippo
    • Touch
    • Hikaru no Go
    • Major Season 1
    • Akagi
    • Initial D
    • Yawara --JQF
  • Sci-Fi
    • Planetes
    • Seikai no Senki Universe
    • Ghost in the shell SAC
    • Cowboy Bebop
    • Akira
    • Last Exile
    • Bounen no Xamdou
    • Dennou Coil
    • Neon Genesis Evangelion
    • Kaiba
  • Fantasy
    • 12K
    • Berserk
    • Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
    • Mushishi
    • Seirei no Moribito
    • Hunter x Hunter
    • I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --Shitenshi
  • Crime
    • Monster
    • Death Note
    • Gungrave
    • Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin
    • Baccano! --JQF
    • Cat's Eye --JQF
    • Durarara!! --JQF
    • Sarai-ya Goyou --JQF
  • Detectives -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified. Maybe merge with Crime for "Law and Order"?
    • City Hunter
    • Ghost in the Shell
    • Nijuu-Mensou no Musume
    • Sherlock Hound
    • RD Sennou Chousashitsu
  • Action
    • Hunter X Hunter
    • Black Lagoon
    • City Hunter --JQF
    • Fullmetal Alchemist --JQF
    • Gurren Lagann --JQF
    • Baccano! --JQF
    • Samurai Champloo --JQF
    • Trigun --JQF
  • Drama
    • Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen
  • Romance
    • Nana
    • Hachimitsu to Clover
    • Bokura ga Ita
    • Paradise Kiss
    • Hoshi no Koe
    • Kimi ni Todoke --Shitenshi
  • Slice of Life
    • Kamichu!
    • Spice and Wolf
    • Kino no Tabi
    • Usagi Drop --JQF
    • Aria the Animation --JQF
    • Haibane-Renmei --JQF
    • Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou --JQF
    • Hanasaku Iroha --JQF
    • Wagnaria!! --JQF
  • Comedy
    • Tokyo Godfathers
    • Nodame Cantabile
    • Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
    • GTO
    • Detroit Metal City
    • Moyashimon
    • Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
    • Ouran Koukou Host Club
    • Chobits
    • Golden Boy
  • Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --Shitenshi
  • Manly -- All in this genre suggested by Hoerie unless otherwise specified.
    • Hokuto no Ken
    • Kenpuu Denki Berserk
    • Mad Bull 34
    • Golgo 13
    • JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken
  • Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Daikon III & IV
    • Genshiken
    • Lucky Star
    • Tetsuko no Tabi
    • Oreimo
    • Otaku no Video
    • Welcome to the N.H.K
    • Princess Jellyfish(?)
  • School Daze -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Great Teacher Onizuka
    • The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
    • School Rumble
    • Toradora!
    • Azumanga Daioh
    • Kimi ni Todoke
    • Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
    • Genshiken
    • The Tatami Galaxy
    • K-ON!
  • The 80s Introductions, those shows that made it over the ocean and introduced anime to a lot of people -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Speed Racer
    • Transformers
    • Macross
  • The 90s Rush -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Akira
    • Ranma 1/2
    • Dragon Ball Z
  • Afterlife Specials -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Galaxy 999
    • Haibane-Renmei
    • Angel Beat
  • They Were Big in Japan, shows that were Big in Japan but didn't make that big a impression elsewhere at the time -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Cat's Eye
    • Yawara
  • Fairy Tales -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • The Snow Queen
    • Swan Lake
    • 1001 Nights
    • World Famous Fairy Tales
    • Cinderella
    • Grimm`s Fairy Tale Classics
    • Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp
    • Thumbelina (1978)
    • Princess Mononoke (?)
  • Historical -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Barefoot Gen
    • Grave of the Fireflies
    • Samurai Champloo
    • Millennium Actress
    • Ojii-san no Lamp
    • Hetalia
    • Thermae Romae
  • War -- All suggested by JQF unless otherwise specified.
    • Barefoot Gen
    • Grave of the Fireflies
    • Howl`s Moving Castle
    • Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
    • Break Blade
    • Cat Shit One
    • Flag
    • Library War
    • Like The Clouds, Like The Wind
    • Pumpkin Scissors
    • Valkyria Chronicles
    • The Sky Crawlers
    • Voices of a Distant Star