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* '''VIDEO -''' yeah... well... as always. | * '''VIDEO -''' yeah... well... as always. | ||
* '''The official page for the anime -''' Lists the main and secondary cast generally. Sometimes gives the hiragana readings as well (from which you can get the main name). | * '''The official page for the anime -''' Lists the main and secondary cast generally. Sometimes gives the hiragana readings as well (from which you can get the main name). | ||
* '''[https://ja.wikipedia.org Japanese wiki] -''' this should be the BEST source for characters since they most of the time also give the hiragana reading (inside brackets). And they mention seiyuu changes, generally... | |||
* '''[ | * '''[https://wikiwiki.jp/seiyu_syukei/ https://wikiwiki.jp/seiyu_syukei/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime since 2008 and for ongoing anime. | ||
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* '''[http://www.anime-title.com/ http://www.anime-title.com/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime, older one as well as ongoing. Note that the cast info is very well hidden, after you select an anime, you need to click on an episode title to unfold the cast info (it doesn't show a pointer cursor). If nothing unfolds, then that episode has no cast info. | * '''[http://www.anime-title.com/ http://www.anime-title.com/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime, older one as well as ongoing. Note that the cast info is very well hidden, after you select an anime, you need to click on an episode title to unfold the cast info (it doesn't show a pointer cursor). If nothing unfolds, then that episode has no cast info. | ||
* '''[https://www.mau2.com/list/anime/date/new https://www.mau2.com/list/anime/date/new]''' - cast listing for 2006-20xx series. some older stuff but those are usually very incomplete datawise. | |||
* '''[ | * '''[https://seiyudb.hatenadiary.org/ SeiyuuDB]''' - complete cast info for various series in the 20xx range. | ||
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* Generally, [[Staff Credits#Credit sources|almost every page I gave to get the anime staff data]] from also lists cast, just without a reading. | * Generally, [[Staff Credits#Credit sources|almost every page I gave to get the anime staff data]] from also lists cast, just without a reading. | ||
<!-- * '''[http://homepage2.nifty.com/KNIGHT/anime/ http://homepage2.nifty.com/KNIGHT/anime/] -''' lists cast info for various older anime. For some anime a few episodes might be missing.--> | |||
One thing to note, if you add a character WITHOUT the official Japanese name and WITHOUT any links whatsoever, well that's just lame and makes it quite hard to track down the character to see if that's really his name and what not, but alas, we're not as strict with characters as we are with creators. I bet we have quite a number of characters by now whose name order is wrong or who don't meet [[AniDB Definition:Romanisation|our romanisation standards]]. | One thing to note, if you add a character WITHOUT the official Japanese name and WITHOUT any links whatsoever, well that's just lame and makes it quite hard to track down the character to see if that's really his name and what not, but alas, we're not as strict with characters as we are with creators. I bet we have quite a number of characters by now whose name order is wrong or who don't meet [[AniDB Definition:Romanisation|our romanisation standards]]. | ||
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* Examples of full cast: {{a|4563|Death Note}}, {{a|584|Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu}} (the Cast tab, click on "show all" at the bottom of the table) | * Examples of full cast: {{a|4563|Death Note}}, {{a|584|Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu}} (the Cast tab, click on "show all" at the bottom of the table) | ||
* Examples of full staff credits: {{a|4526|Top wo Nerae! Gekijouban}}, for something that's still ongoing - {{a|6080|Queen's Blade}} (the Staff tab, can also check Staff per episode) | * Examples of full staff credits: {{a|4526|Top wo Nerae! Gekijouban}}, for something that's still ongoing - {{a|6080|Queen's Blade}} (the Staff tab, can also check Staff per episode) | ||
* Examples of full anime OSTs (collections): [ | * Examples of full anime OSTs (collections): [https://anidb.net/co14 Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack 3: Blue], [https://anidb.net/co2 Gankutsuou Original Soundtrack], and a single - [https://anidb.net/co22 Hemisphere] | ||
==Notes about adding character data== | ==Notes about adding character data== | ||
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* Do '''NOT''' add new characters to serve as guises of existing characters unless you are '''SURE''' that they should be added. Consult a mod before doing anything if you're not sure. | * Do '''NOT''' add new characters to serve as guises of existing characters unless you are '''SURE''' that they should be added. Consult a mod before doing anything if you're not sure. | ||
* Do '''NOT''' add guises to Pokemon or Digimon without consulting with worf first. Consider this your only warning. | * Do '''NOT''' add guises to Pokemon or Digimon without consulting with worf first. Consider this your only warning. | ||
* '''Irreconcilable''' changes to factual data ''not covered by tags'', such as the character's birth date, justify new guises. | * '''Irreconcilable''' changes to '''factual''' data '''not covered by tags''', such as the character's birth date, justify new guises. | ||
* '''Major''' changes to character design, such as those tied to a change of character design''er'' in a reboot series, justify new guises. This does not include SD designs, which are treated separately (see below). | * '''Major''' changes to character design, such as those tied to a change of character design'''''er''''' in a reboot series, justify new guises. This does not include SD designs, which are treated separately (see below). | ||
* '''Major''' aging (baby vs child vs adolescent vs adult vs elderly) '''generally''' justifies new guises, but ''not always''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume it does. | * '''Major''' aging (baby vs child vs adolescent vs adult vs elderly) '''generally''' justifies new guises, but '''not always'''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume it does. | ||
* Disguises that involve taking on a different identity, such as those of magical girls, '''generally''' justify new guises, but ''not always''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume they do. A noteworthy exception is [https://anidb.net/ch1283 Kinomoto Sakura], who does not receive guises for each of her countless changes in magical girl wardrobe. | * Disguises that involve taking on a different identity, such as those of magical girls, '''generally''' justify new guises, but '''not always'''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume they do. A noteworthy exception is [https://anidb.net/ch1283 Kinomoto Sakura], who does not receive guises for each of her countless changes in magical girl wardrobe. | ||
* Super deformed (SD or "chibi") guises should only be added when they have significance. A short special self-parody episode or a few short regular-episode scenes featuring SD designs '''do not''' justify SD guises, but an entire self-parody show with SD guises probably does. Assume they shouldn't be added and always contact a mod before adding any. | * Super deformed (SD or "chibi") guises should only be added when they have '''significance'''. A short special self-parody episode or a few short regular-episode scenes featuring SD designs '''do not''' justify SD guises, but an entire self-parody show with SD guises probably does. Assume they shouldn't be added and always contact a mod before adding any. | ||
* Major shifts in personality and relations '''may''', but '''generally won't''', justify new guises. '''Always''' contact a mod ''before even considering'' adding any. Be advised that, unless you have a ''very'' good case for adding the guise, it will be shot down. | * Major shifts in personality and relations '''may''', but '''generally won't''', justify new guises. '''Always''' contact a mod '''before even considering''' adding any. Be advised that, unless you have a '''very''' good case for adding the guise, it will be shot down. | ||
* '''Minor''' changes such as one or two tags no longer being valid as a result of a plot event or very minor design changes '''will never''' justify new guises. Don't bother with those. | * '''Minor''' changes such as one or two tags no longer being valid as a result of a plot event or very minor design changes '''will never''' justify new guises. The same applies to minor incidental, event-based, or otherwise situational occurrences of '''little impact''', especially if they are not even enough to justify applying the relevant tags, if any. That also applies to any and all '''wardrobe changes''', unless covered by any of the preceding rules. Don't bother with any of those. | ||
===Choosing the parent guise=== | ===Choosing the parent guise=== | ||
{{eyecatch|Note|Always pick the '''first''' of those rules that you can fit your case into. This is not a majority vote among rules; it is an '''absolute order of precedence'''. You | {{eyecatch|Note|'''Always''' pick the '''first''' of those rules that you can fit your case into. This is '''not a majority vote''' among rules; it is an '''absolute order of precedence'''. You find the first rule that fits your case, '''stop there''', and '''apply that rule and no others'''. Please remember that mods have the final say and may overturn those rules if they deem necessary.}} | ||
# If a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the most important one, it'll be set as the main one. This '''does not''' include maybes such as "X looks a teeny tiny bit more relevant than Y"; there must be a ''compelling'' difference in plot role. | {{eyecatch|ATTENTION|Only '''character-type''' characters can be ranked by importance; the first rule therefore '''cannot''' be applied to '''mecha, vehicles, or organizations'''. For those three character types, skip the first rule and start with the second one.}} | ||
# If a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the most important one, it'll be set as the main one. This '''does not''' include maybes such as "X looks a teeny tiny bit more relevant than Y"; there must be a ''compelling'' difference in plot role. If your character is a mecha, vehicle, or organization, however, please refer to the "ATTENTION" box above. | |||
# That failing, if a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the "true" or original version of the character, it will be the main one. Just as before, this '''does not''' include maybes; there must be ''compelling'' evidence pointing at one guise as being the original one. | # That failing, if a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the "true" or original version of the character, it will be the main one. Just as before, this '''does not''' include maybes; there must be ''compelling'' evidence pointing at one guise as being the original one. | ||
## This rule applies in a special way to mecha and vehicles. The '''original''' guise in the mecha/vehicle "evolutionary tree", so to speak, is to be set as the parent. Therefore, '''upgrades''' of existing models as well as '''variant or custom''' models will be the children. See examples below for help. | |||
## For organizations, the original version is simply the one that was created first, in in-universe chronology. Newer versions of the organization must necessarily be created from the older ones. | |||
# That failing, whoever appears first, in chronological release order of the relevant episodes, and in order of appearance if on the same episode, will be the main guise. | # That failing, whoever appears first, in chronological release order of the relevant episodes, and in order of appearance if on the same episode, will be the main guise. | ||
# We are yet to see a case that can't be handled that way, such as two guises being introduced in two unrelated episodes released on the same day. Should such a case ever appear, set the character that gets added first as the main guise and report the child guise to the mods; the mods will figure it out. If such a case shows up and the characters are set the other way around, ''do not'' attempt to reverse the relation; simply report it and mention that they are reversed according to this point; it may be that the case has been reviewed previously and that a mod has intentionally set the state of affairs to be the way you found it. | # We are yet to see a case that can't be handled that way, such as two guises being introduced in two unrelated episodes released on the same day. Should such a case ever appear, set the character that gets added first as the main guise and report the child guise to the mods; the mods will figure it out. If such a case shows up and the characters are set the other way around, ''do not'' attempt to reverse the relation; simply report it and mention that they are reversed according to this point; it may be that the case has been reviewed previously and that a mod has intentionally set the state of affairs to be the way you found it. | ||
Examples for mecha/vehicles: | |||
* The [https://anidb.net/ch87549 Gundam Barbatos Lupus Rex] is an upgrade of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch84083 Gundam Barbatos Lupus], and the Barbatos Lupus itself is an upgrade of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch76364 Gundam Barbatos]. | |||
* The [https://anidb.net/ch86402 Gundam Vidar] is a customization of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch86162 Gundam Kimaris Trooper], itself a ground combat variant of the [https://anidb.net/ch77828 Gundam Kimaris], which is oriented for space combat. Meanwhile, the [https://anidb.net/ch101745 Gundam Kimaris Vidar] is a retrofit of its parent, the Gundam Vidar, making it more space-oriented. While the Kimaris Vidar was built to be closer to the Kimaris, it is still a child of the Vidar, and only a great-grandchild of the Kimaris, because that is how the unit's versions were designed over the in-universe chronology. | |||
==Character Relations== | ==Character Relations== | ||
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Please note that concubinage is a much more "official" relationship than that between paramours, which is generally seen as strictly illicit; historical concubines have often held positions of power within their lovers' households due to the very fact they held concubine status. If a character is described as an "official mistress", it is generally fine to understand that to be a case of concubinage. Ask if on doubt. | Please note that concubinage is a much more "official" relationship than that between paramours, which is generally seen as strictly illicit; historical concubines have often held positions of power within their lovers' households due to the very fact they held concubine status. If a character is described as an "official mistress", it is generally fine to understand that to be a case of concubinage. Ask if on doubt. | ||
{{eyecatch|Note|If people simply have sex and there are no romantic feelings involved, '''''DO NOT''''' add this relation; in fact, do not add '''any''' relation for that at all. This is far and away the most common case in pornographic anime, so only add this relation to characters in those anime if you are '''doubly sure''' that yes, romantic feelings are very much involved. That applies even if the characters have sex routinely.}} | |||
===other=== | ===other=== | ||