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At the very baseline, character entries need the following: | At the very baseline, character entries need the following: | ||
* '''Official''' Japanese name | * '''Official''' Japanese name | ||
* Japanese transcription matching our transcription rules: [[ | * Japanese transcription matching our transcription rules: [[AniDB Definition:Romanisation]] | ||
* Gender, unless unavailable | * Gender, unless unavailable | ||
* Picture: official if available, screenshot if not | * Picture: official if available, screenshot if not | ||
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* Use the "add name" feature to add alternate spellings; do NOT create multiple character entries to do this. | * Use the "add name" feature to add alternate spellings; do NOT create multiple character entries to do this. | ||
* Do not add excessive alternate spellings or names | * Do not add excessive alternate spellings or names | ||
==Cast info sources== | ==Cast info sources== | ||
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* '''VIDEO -''' yeah... well... as always. | * '''VIDEO -''' yeah... well... as always. | ||
* '''The official page for the anime -''' Lists the main and secondary cast generally. Sometimes gives the hiragana readings as well (from which you can get the main name). | * '''The official page for the anime -''' Lists the main and secondary cast generally. Sometimes gives the hiragana readings as well (from which you can get the main name). | ||
* '''[https://ja.wikipedia.org Japanese wiki] -''' this should be the BEST source for characters since they most of the time also give the hiragana reading (inside brackets). And they mention seiyuu changes, generally... | |||
* '''[ | * '''[https://wikiwiki.jp/seiyu_syukei/ https://wikiwiki.jp/seiyu_syukei/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime since 2008 and for ongoing anime. | ||
* '''[ | |||
* '''[http://www.anime-title.com/ http://www.anime-title.com/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime, older one as well as ongoing. Note that the cast info is very well hidden, after you select an anime, you need to click on an episode title to unfold the cast info (it doesn't show a pointer cursor). If nothing unfolds, then that episode has no cast info. | * '''[http://www.anime-title.com/ http://www.anime-title.com/] -''' lists complete cast info per episode for a number of anime, older one as well as ongoing. Note that the cast info is very well hidden, after you select an anime, you need to click on an episode title to unfold the cast info (it doesn't show a pointer cursor). If nothing unfolds, then that episode has no cast info. | ||
* '''[https://www.mau2.com/list/anime/date/new https://www.mau2.com/list/anime/date/new]''' - cast listing for 2006-20xx series. some older stuff but those are usually very incomplete datawise. | |||
* '''[ | * '''[https://seiyudb.hatenadiary.org/ SeiyuuDB]''' - complete cast info for various series in the 20xx range. | ||
* '''[ | |||
* Generally, [[Staff Credits#Credit sources|almost every page I gave to get the anime staff data]] from also lists cast, just without a reading. | * Generally, [[Staff Credits#Credit sources|almost every page I gave to get the anime staff data]] from also lists cast, just without a reading. | ||
<!-- * '''[http://homepage2.nifty.com/KNIGHT/anime/ http://homepage2.nifty.com/KNIGHT/anime/] -''' lists cast info for various older anime. For some anime a few episodes might be missing.--> | |||
One thing to note, if you add a character WITHOUT the official Japanese name and WITHOUT any links whatsoever, well that's just lame and makes it quite hard to track down the character to see if that's really his name and what not, but alas, we're not as strict with characters as we are with creators. I bet we have quite a number of characters by now whose name order is wrong or who don't meet [[AniDB Definition:Romanisation|our romanisation standards]]. | One thing to note, if you add a character WITHOUT the official Japanese name and WITHOUT any links whatsoever, well that's just lame and makes it quite hard to track down the character to see if that's really his name and what not, but alas, we're not as strict with characters as we are with creators. I bet we have quite a number of characters by now whose name order is wrong or who don't meet [[AniDB Definition:Romanisation|our romanisation standards]]. | ||
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* Examples of full cast: {{a|4563|Death Note}}, {{a|584|Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu}} (the Cast tab, click on "show all" at the bottom of the table) | * Examples of full cast: {{a|4563|Death Note}}, {{a|584|Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu}} (the Cast tab, click on "show all" at the bottom of the table) | ||
* Examples of full staff credits: {{a|4526|Top wo Nerae! Gekijouban}}, for something that's still ongoing - {{a|6080|Queen's Blade}} (the Staff tab, can also check Staff per episode) | * Examples of full staff credits: {{a|4526|Top wo Nerae! Gekijouban}}, for something that's still ongoing - {{a|6080|Queen's Blade}} (the Staff tab, can also check Staff per episode) | ||
* Examples of full anime OSTs (collections): [ | * Examples of full anime OSTs (collections): [https://anidb.net/co14 Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack 3: Blue], [https://anidb.net/co2 Gankutsuou Original Soundtrack], and a single - [https://anidb.net/co22 Hemisphere] | ||
==Notes about adding character data== | ==Notes about adding character data== | ||
{{eyecatch|Note|These are some items I learned about while adding characters on my own. These notes may not accurately reflect AniDB policy, but may be helpful to other users just getting started adding character data.}} | {{eyecatch|Note|These are some items I learned about while adding characters on my own. These notes may not accurately reflect AniDB policy, but may be helpful to other users just getting started adding character data.}} | ||
* '''For all data''' it is preferred to stick with original Japanese sources, written in Japanese. This means your primary sources should be Japanese broadcast (or R2 DVD) video, official Japanese web site (.jp), and [ | * '''For all data''' it is preferred to stick with original Japanese sources, written in Japanese. This means your primary sources should be Japanese broadcast (or R2 DVD) video, official Japanese web site (.jp), and [https://ja.wikipedia.org Japanese Wiki]. | ||
* '''Automatic translation''' services such as [ | * '''Automatic translation''' services such as [https://translate.google.com Google Translate] and [https://www.babelfish.com/ BabelFish] may be helpful, but should not be trusted on their own. Expect some words (especially names) to be translated incorrectly. Try to find a more authoritative source to corroborate translated information. | ||
* '''Spoiler tags''' should be used in character descriptions to hide potentially spoiling information. English Wikipedia contains a lot of spoilers. | * '''Spoiler tags''' should be used in character descriptions to hide potentially spoiling information. English Wikipedia contains a lot of spoilers. | ||
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* '''For character images''' the official Japanese web site is preferred over screen caps from the video. | * '''For character images''' the official Japanese web site is preferred over screen caps from the video. | ||
* '''Character images''' may be as large as 400 pixels wide by | * '''Character images''' may be as large as 400 pixels wide by 600 pixels tall, but must not exceed 153600 bytes in size. | ||
* '''Episode relations''' are added by editing the character to anime relation and entering values into the Episodes field. Acceptable values consist of a series of comma separated ranges which may be delimited by hyphens. Just enter something like "1-26", or "2,5,8", or "9-13,16,22,26". | * '''Episode relations''' are added by editing the character to anime relation and entering values into the Episodes field. Acceptable values consist of a series of comma separated ranges which may be delimited by hyphens. Just enter something like "1-26", or "2,5,8", or "9-13,16,22,26". | ||
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* '''When adding text credits''', the preferred format is "English (Kanji (Romaji))", if you know all 3, "Romaji (Kanji)" if you aren't sure of the translation and "Kanji" if you're unsure even about the reading. | * '''When adding text credits''', the preferred format is "English (Kanji (Romaji))", if you know all 3, "Romaji (Kanji)" if you aren't sure of the translation and "Kanji" if you're unsure even about the reading. | ||
==Character Guises== | |||
Character guises are a way to link multiple "versions" of a character. They're asymmetrical, hierarchical, parent-child relations; one side is generally known as "parent" guise (also "main" guise) and the other is generally known as "child" guise or simply "guise". To set a character as the ''child'' guise, edit it and set the ''parent'' guise in the "Guise of" field. The parent guise will automatically be considered as the main guise once that change is approved. That is the only way to set guises; it is not possible to do it the other way around. | |||
A child guise may have ''only one parent'', but a parent guise may have ''any number of children''. A child guise may also have its own children, recursively; having a parent does not interfere with being set as parent for a third character. An example of that is the guise chain of [https://anidb.net/ch1913 Illyasviel von Einzbern]. Among its guises, Illyasviel has a counterpart in the [https://anidb.net/a9042 Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya] universe; that counterpart has, among its guises, a magical girl version, and that magical girl version has several guises of its own: from top parent to bottom, that's a chain of, so far, four positions in total (original Illyasviel -> FKL Illyasviel -> Prisma Illya -> multiple guises). | |||
===When to add new guises and when not to add them=== | |||
* Do '''NOT''' add new characters to serve as guises of existing characters unless you are '''SURE''' that they should be added. Consult a mod before doing anything if you're not sure. | |||
* Do '''NOT''' add guises to Pokemon or Digimon without consulting with worf first. Consider this your only warning. | |||
* '''Irreconcilable''' changes to '''factual''' data '''not covered by tags''', such as the character's birth date, justify new guises. | |||
* '''Major''' changes to character design, such as those tied to a change of character design'''''er''''' in a reboot series, justify new guises. This does not include SD designs, which are treated separately (see below). | |||
* '''Major''' aging (baby vs child vs adolescent vs adult vs elderly) '''generally''' justifies new guises, but '''not always'''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume it does. | |||
* Disguises that involve taking on a different identity, such as those of magical girls, '''generally''' justify new guises, but '''not always'''. Unless a mod says otherwise, assume they do. A noteworthy exception is [https://anidb.net/ch1283 Kinomoto Sakura], who does not receive guises for each of her countless changes in magical girl wardrobe. | |||
* Super deformed (SD or "chibi") guises should only be added when they have '''significance'''. A short special self-parody episode or a few short regular-episode scenes featuring SD designs '''do not''' justify SD guises, but an entire self-parody show with SD guises probably does. Assume they shouldn't be added and always contact a mod before adding any. | |||
* Major shifts in personality and relations '''may''', but '''generally won't''', justify new guises. '''Always''' contact a mod '''before even considering''' adding any. Be advised that, unless you have a '''very''' good case for adding the guise, it will be shot down. | |||
* '''Minor''' changes such as one or two tags no longer being valid as a result of a plot event or very minor design changes '''will never''' justify new guises. The same applies to minor incidental, event-based, or otherwise situational occurrences of '''little impact''', especially if they are not even enough to justify applying the relevant tags, if any. That also applies to any and all '''wardrobe changes''', unless covered by any of the preceding rules. Don't bother with any of those. | |||
===Choosing the parent guise=== | |||
{{eyecatch|Note|'''Always''' pick the '''first''' of those rules that you can fit your case into. This is '''not a majority vote''' among rules; it is an '''absolute order of precedence'''. You find the first rule that fits your case, '''stop there''', and '''apply that rule and no others'''. Please remember that mods have the final say and may overturn those rules if they deem necessary.}} | |||
{{eyecatch|ATTENTION|Only '''character-type''' characters can be ranked by importance; the first rule therefore '''cannot''' be applied to '''mecha, vehicles, or organizations'''. For those three character types, skip the first rule and start with the second one.}} | |||
# If a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the most important one, it'll be set as the main one. This '''does not''' include maybes such as "X looks a teeny tiny bit more relevant than Y"; there must be a ''compelling'' difference in plot role. If your character is a mecha, vehicle, or organization, however, please refer to the "ATTENTION" box above. | |||
# That failing, if a guise can be identified as '''clearly''' the "true" or original version of the character, it will be the main one. Just as before, this '''does not''' include maybes; there must be ''compelling'' evidence pointing at one guise as being the original one. | |||
## This rule applies in a special way to mecha and vehicles. The '''original''' guise in the mecha/vehicle "evolutionary tree", so to speak, is to be set as the parent. Therefore, '''upgrades''' of existing models as well as '''variant or custom''' models will be the children. See examples below for help. | |||
## For organizations, the original version is simply the one that was created first, in in-universe chronology. Newer versions of the organization must necessarily be created from the older ones. | |||
# That failing, whoever appears first, in chronological release order of the relevant episodes, and in order of appearance if on the same episode, will be the main guise. | |||
# We are yet to see a case that can't be handled that way, such as two guises being introduced in two unrelated episodes released on the same day. Should such a case ever appear, set the character that gets added first as the main guise and report the child guise to the mods; the mods will figure it out. If such a case shows up and the characters are set the other way around, ''do not'' attempt to reverse the relation; simply report it and mention that they are reversed according to this point; it may be that the case has been reviewed previously and that a mod has intentionally set the state of affairs to be the way you found it. | |||
Examples for mecha/vehicles: | |||
* The [https://anidb.net/ch87549 Gundam Barbatos Lupus Rex] is an upgrade of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch84083 Gundam Barbatos Lupus], and the Barbatos Lupus itself is an upgrade of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch76364 Gundam Barbatos]. | |||
* The [https://anidb.net/ch86402 Gundam Vidar] is a customization of its parent, the [https://anidb.net/ch86162 Gundam Kimaris Trooper], itself a ground combat variant of the [https://anidb.net/ch77828 Gundam Kimaris], which is oriented for space combat. Meanwhile, the [https://anidb.net/ch101745 Gundam Kimaris Vidar] is a retrofit of its parent, the Gundam Vidar, making it more space-oriented. While the Kimaris Vidar was built to be closer to the Kimaris, it is still a child of the Vidar, and only a great-grandchild of the Kimaris, because that is how the unit's versions were designed over the in-universe chronology. | |||
==Character Relations== | ==Character Relations== | ||
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Character relations are '''long-term links''' established between characters. There must be an element of '''permanence over time'''; in other words, '''a single incident is NOT a relation'''. For example, assume two characters in a fighting show fought once; that does '''NOT''' constitute a relation. Fighting once isn't a relation; being rivals is a relation, being enemies is a relation, and these are reasons they might fight, but the fight itself doesn't form a relation. Furthermore, if they fought within a tournament, when they were merely opponents, the reason for the fight is simply the tournament itself, with no relations coming into play. On the other hand, if the same characters fight repeatedly for whatever reason, such as being rivals, or as part of their routine training to become stronger, ''then'' a relation exists between them. A character relation should exist because it has long-term relevance, and the opponent of the week does not have long-term relevance, but a repeated opponent might, and a constant opponent certainly does. Common sense applies. | Character relations are '''long-term links''' established between characters. There must be an element of '''permanence over time'''; in other words, '''a single incident is NOT a relation'''. For example, assume two characters in a fighting show fought once; that does '''NOT''' constitute a relation. Fighting once isn't a relation; being rivals is a relation, being enemies is a relation, and these are reasons they might fight, but the fight itself doesn't form a relation. Furthermore, if they fought within a tournament, when they were merely opponents, the reason for the fight is simply the tournament itself, with no relations coming into play. On the other hand, if the same characters fight repeatedly for whatever reason, such as being rivals, or as part of their routine training to become stronger, ''then'' a relation exists between them. A character relation should exist because it has long-term relevance, and the opponent of the week does not have long-term relevance, but a repeated opponent might, and a constant opponent certainly does. Common sense applies. | ||
===Character relations in porn (hentai) entries=== | |||
Generally speaking, in porn, character relations where only sex is involved (without a clear indication of feelings of some sort) should not be considered of the love interest type. | |||
===General notes on character relations=== | ===General notes on character relations=== | ||
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Please note that couples are '''NOT''' valid family relations; please use the appropriate couple-centred relations instead. If, however, the relation is incestuous, both the couple relation and the regular family relation should evidently be added. | Please note that couples are '''NOT''' valid family relations; please use the appropriate couple-centred relations instead. If, however, the relation is incestuous, both the couple relation and the regular family relation should evidently be added. | ||
Please also note that some relations never end. | The death of a character may or may not end a character relation, depending on the specifics of each case. Generally speaking, however, it '''tends to''' imply its end. Exceptions exist, and include (but aren't necessarily limited to) "is family of" (please see the notes on that relation for more information) and the "kills"/"is killed by" relation pair (for obvious reasons). Use common sense and evaluate the impact of death on the specific relation, on a case-by-case basis. For example, the death of a love interest (i.e. the target of the love interest) generally ends the character relation. However, the death of the the person having a love interest (i.e. the person in love) does not end the character relation; the person in love continues to hold the love interest up, possibly until they move on to someone else. Please also note that some relations may never end. | ||
Please see each specific relation for more detailed instructions, or contact Hinoe per above if the information is unavailable. | Please see each specific relation for more detailed instructions, or contact Hinoe per above if the information is unavailable. | ||
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While it should be as neutral as possible, the (usually) older family member should always be mentioned first. Even though there are exceptions - an uncle can be born later than a nephew - this will still use the same template. There will be no distinction between fraternal or maternal grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc. | While it should be as neutral as possible, the (usually) older family member should always be mentioned first. Even though there are exceptions - an uncle can be born later than a nephew - this will still use the same template. There will be no distinction between fraternal or maternal grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc. | ||
Relationships in families can be genetic or non-genetic. The latter includes marriages and adoptions. So if your mother's brother marries a woman, she will still be considered your aunt. | Relationships in families can be genetic or non-genetic. The latter includes marriages and adoptions. So if your mother's brother marries a woman, she will still be considered your aunt. This also means that the in-laws distinction is applied to relations to people who are ''specifically given the "xyz-in-law" term in English''. There are such things in English as a father-in-law and a son-in-law and a brother-in-law, but there is no "aunt-in-law"; your uncle (by blood)'s wife, in English, is just called your aunt, the same as your aunt by blood, so we use the same term. | ||
* ancestor ''(anything that goes further up/down in the family tree than great-great-grandparent level)'' | * ancestor ''(anything that goes further up/down in the family tree than great-great-grandparent level)'' | ||
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===is killed by / kills=== | ===is killed by / kills=== | ||
On its own, that relation is entirely self-explanatory. A comment might elaborate on the circumstances, reasons, means employed, and so on; some examples might include "stabbed in the jugular vein with a ballpoint pen" or "accidentally shot on the forehead". Clearly, this relation never ends. | On its own, that relation is entirely self-explanatory. A comment might elaborate on the circumstances, reasons, means employed, and so on; some examples might include "stabbed in the jugular vein with a ballpoint pen" or "accidentally shot on the forehead". Clearly, this relation never ends, unless the character is brought back to life (think Dragon Ball Z). If the relation is ended by bringing the character back to life, the circumstances of that event should be mentioned in the comment, such as in "died in a fight in episode 98, but brought back by Shen Long in episode 127". | ||
===is the creator/founder of / was created/founded by=== | ===is the creator/founder of / was created/founded by=== | ||
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Please note that concubinage is a much more "official" relationship than that between paramours, which is generally seen as strictly illicit; historical concubines have often held positions of power within their lovers' households due to the very fact they held concubine status. If a character is described as an "official mistress", it is generally fine to understand that to be a case of concubinage. Ask if on doubt. | Please note that concubinage is a much more "official" relationship than that between paramours, which is generally seen as strictly illicit; historical concubines have often held positions of power within their lovers' households due to the very fact they held concubine status. If a character is described as an "official mistress", it is generally fine to understand that to be a case of concubinage. Ask if on doubt. | ||
{{eyecatch|Note|If people simply have sex and there are no romantic feelings involved, '''''DO NOT''''' add this relation; in fact, do not add '''any''' relation for that at all. This is far and away the most common case in pornographic anime, so only add this relation to characters in those anime if you are '''doubly sure''' that yes, romantic feelings are very much involved. That applies even if the characters have sex routinely.}} | |||
===other=== | ===other=== | ||