Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

Random ideas

• Adding and ranking anime/character tags
• Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user
• Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate)
• Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups
  • Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --Worf 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
• Adding lexicon articles
• Converted credits
• World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched
• Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members)

^ The above was brought from the main page.

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Random ideas from the IRC channel and my comments:

• <%DarkIndy13> we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched)
• <BartS> Rumiko Takahashi badge!
  • Added. --Worf 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
• <%Chroniko> Let's not forget a Wakamoto badge.

• Mostly agree with all. I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else.
  • Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts.

(Can we have auto-signing? I'm tired of forgetting.)

--Hinoe 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)

I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused.

--Indy13 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --Shitenshi 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --Shitenshi 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)

Hinoe's ideas for this feature

Pass #1

On the current list of achievements

• Anime achievements:
  • Add: Leiji's anime watched.
  • Add: Tezuka Osamu's anime watched.
  • Add: Legend of Galactic Heroes watched.
    • This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show.

All those were sent to the main list.

• Statistical achievements:
  • Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
    • New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
    • Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
    • How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8.
      
      

• One-time achievements:
  • Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
    • Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
  • Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
    • Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?).
      
      

• Special achievements:
  • Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
  • Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
    • The name sucks, taking suggestions.
      
      

• New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
  • Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
  • List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
  • Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members.
    
    

On the current idea section

• I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
  • Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done.
    
    

Other ideas

• Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
  • The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
    • A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else.
      
      

Notes

• I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
• Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp.
  
  

-- Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

Responses to pass #1

If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH.

--ommina 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)

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• Watched Badges

1) I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime.

2) Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment

3) Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment

• Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

• One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom. I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

• Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod. In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work. The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it. That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that? For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

• Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--msr , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

• I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
• Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
• Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
• Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
  • I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the personal mod badges would be for, you know, more personal things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
  • I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--Hinoe 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --Shitenshi 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --Hinoe 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

Pass #2

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Responses to pass #2

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msr's ideas for this feature

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

Pass #1

• Anime achievements:
  • Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
    • This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

Genre Packs

• Adventure
  • Master Keaton

• Horror
  • Hellsing

• Sports
  • Hajime no Ippo
  • Touch
  • Hikaru no Go
  • Major Season 1
  • Akagi
  • Initial D

• Sci-Fi
  • Planetes
  • Seikai no Senki Universe
  • Ghost in the shell SAC
  • Cowboy Bebop
  • Akira
  • Last Exile
  • Bounen no Xamdou
  • Dennou Coil
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion
  • Kaiba

• Fantasy
  • 12K
  • Berserk
  • Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
  • Mushishi
  • Seirei no Moribito
  • Hunter x Hunter

• Crime
  • Monster
  • Death Note
  • Gungrave
  • Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

• Action
  • Hunter X Hunter
  • Black Lagoon

• Drama
  • Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

• Romance
  • Nana
  • Hachimitsu to Clover
  • Bokura ga Ita
  • Paradise Kiss
  • Hoshi no Koe

• Slice of Life
  • Kamichu!
  • Spice and Wolf
  • Kino no Tabi

• Comedy
  • Tokyo Godfathers
  • Nodame Cantabile
  • Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
  • GTO
  • Detroit Metal City
  • Moyashimon
  • Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
  • Ouran Koukou Host Club
  • Chobits
  • Golden Boy

• Statistical achievements:

• • IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
    • The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

• • Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

Responses to pass #1

• Genre packs
  • I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
  • How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
  • The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
  • If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details.
    
    

• Stats
  • IRC Activity is nice.
    • Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
  • Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
    • Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't look like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar.
      
      

--Hinoe 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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• Genre packs
  • For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
  • Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

• Stats
  • Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
  • Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--Shitenshi 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:

• Genre packs
  • Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
  • Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
  • Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.

--Shitenshi 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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• IRC:
  • Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

Hoerie's ideas

Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

Pass #1

Genre packs

• Manly
  • Hokuto no Ken
  • Kenpuu Denki Berserk
  • Mad Bull 34
  • Golgo 13
  • JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

Statistical achievements

• Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

Responses to pass #1

Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --Hinoe 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --Shitenshi 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for anime, not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --ommina 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)

• lol @ anal badge. --Hinoe 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

Main page feedback

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page.

• Anime achievements
  • Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.
    • I'm dumb, nevermind.
  • How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?
    • An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.
    • Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
    • Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).
    • Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks better.
    • LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.
    • Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Mylist achievements
  • Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)
    • Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical>
    • Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Statistical achievements
  • Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.
    • Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
    • I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
      • The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --Shitenshi 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
  • Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
    • Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
      • My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --Shitenshi 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• One-time achievements:
  • Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
    • I concur, the 1st one is better. --Shitenshi 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D
    • The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
      • Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --Hinoe 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

• Special achievements:
  • Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.
    • Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
  • For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
    • That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
    • The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
      • Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
  • Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable?
    
    

• More to come?
  
  

--Hinoe 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --Shitenshi 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Update from via IRC: [17:57:02] <worf> an option to show or hide certain ones will surely not be implemented [17:57:49] <worf> i might add an option to disable display of badges for oneself and an option to disable your own badges so noone else can see them [17:58:09] <worf> but it will always affect all badges --Shitenshi 18:17, 18 January 2012 (CET)

BartS' random feedback

• I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "user rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

Level 1: user

Level 2: user + secondary

Level 3: Adv. user

Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

Level 6: mod

Level 7: senior mod

Level 8: admin

• While I'm at it: I also think the numbers for eps in mylist , files in mylist , watched eps and size of mylist are too low compared to anime in mylist. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the Mylist Achievments[1] need some adjustment IMO.