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Anyway, just my thoughts. I think it was useful... and I personally don't really see much reason to completely get rid of it. But anyway. Maybe I'll just save a copy for myself from the edit history. :)
Anyway, just my thoughts. I think it was useful... and I personally don't really see much reason to completely get rid of it. But anyway. Maybe I'll just save a copy for myself from the edit history. :)


[1]Perhaps you're saying this doesn't mean anything anymore under the new rating system? So a person's individual voting style would affect how they contribute to the overall vote or something.
[1]Perhaps you're saying this doesn't mean anything any more under the new rating system? So a person's individual voting style would affect how they contribute to the overall vote or something.


[[User:Hyperworm|Hyperworm]] 16:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Hyperworm|Hyperworm]] 16:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)




I agree entirely with Hyperworm and actually thought the removal of the grading guidelines to be the work of some n00b or someone lame enought to want to disrupt the topic just 'cause personal viewpoint and without the consent of AniDB staff. Did a search and noticed that epoximator is registered as "AniDB staff" in the forums, so this was done with the consent of people working here in AniDB. Then I got confused: why? Why removing the grading guidelines from the wiki? They're in fact quite good, showing some careful thought in a sensitive system (voting). I think the rating guidelines are a very good and used to point people there. Even if Hyperworm's guess is correct (about the guidelines being removed due the new rating system), the guidelines should stay: they can be usefull when trying to apply a stantard to your own grades and help comparing to the votes of other users in the case of trading vote page's links with each other. The new system would help with the votes of the people who don't care about anything other than their personal voting style, the guidelines help those who care about a standard.
I agree entirely with Hyperworm and actually thought the removal of the grading guidelines to be the work of some n00b or someone lame enough to want to disrupt the topic just 'cause personal viewpoint and without the consent of AniDB staff. Did a search and noticed that epoximator is registered as "AniDB staff" in the forums, so this was done with the consent of people working here in AniDB. Then I got confused: why? Why removing the grading guidelines from the wiki? They're in fact quite good, showing some careful thought in a sensitive system (voting). I think the rating guidelines are a very good and used to point people there. Even if Hyperworm's guess is correct (about the guidelines being removed due the new rating system), the guidelines should stay: they can be usefull when trying to apply a stantard to your own grades and help comparing to the votes of other users in the case of trading vote page's links with each other. The new system would help with the votes of the people who don't care about anything other than their personal voting style, the guidelines help those who care about a standard.


[[User:SirNiXXon|SirNiXXon]] 19 February 2007
[[User:SirNiXXon|SirNiXXon]] 19 February 2007
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I also think removing vote guideline was pointless. I used to stick to this guide so that my own votes stay consistent. Now I need to look for it in page history.
I also think removing vote guideline was pointless. I used to stick to this guide so that my own votes stay consistent. Now I need to look for it in page history.
Actually, it's obvious to give better anime higher votes and leave some space at the end of the range in case sth better/worse comes up. So, I'd say current hints are useless.
Actually, it's obvious to give better anime higher votes and leave some space at the end of the range in case something better/worse comes up. So, I'd say current hints are useless.


[[User:Gepard|Gepard]] 10:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Gepard|Gepard]] 10:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)




hehe. i just reread them for fun and i honestly don't think they could have been any worse. are you sure you actually read them? this [http://www.anidb.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5858 thread] applies here too, maybe even more. (seeing what ticks in at reviews makes me want to do some cutting at those guidelines too, btw). anyway, you are all free to write something better (attempt to), but do it HERE
Hehe. I just reread them for fun and I honestly don't think they could have been any worse. are you sure you actually read them? This {{OldThreadLink|5858|thread}} applies here too, maybe even more. (Seeing what ticks in at reviews makes me want to do some cutting at those guidelines too, BTW). Anyway, you are all free to write something better (attempt to), but do it HERE.


[[User:Epoximator|Epoximator]] 13:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
[[User:Epoximator|Epoximator]] 13:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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it has been stated in the forum already, but let me try again. the rating system anidb use handles the "consistency" you worry about already. it does not care whatever meaning you (or anyone else) put in "7". your 7 does not equal my 7 and there's no direct (obvious) relation between the vote value and the rating value. so even if your vote "7" means "monkey", and even if we defined it to be that, the rating value "7" would still not mean "monkey". it's merely an estimated value that only has meaning relative to all the other rating values. (as we decided to keep the inner workings of the system secret you pretty much have to take my word on this).
It has been stated in the forum already, but let me try again. the rating system AniDB use handles the "consistency" you worry about already. It does not care whatever meaning you (or anyone else) put in "7". Your 7 does not equal my 7 and there's no direct (obvious) relation between the vote value and the rating value. So even if your vote "7" means "monkey", and even if we defined it to be that, the rating value "7" would still not mean "monkey". It's merely an estimated value that only has meaning relative to all the other rating values. (As we decided to keep the inner workings of the system secret you pretty much have to take my word on this).


the guidelines were written before the current rating system was implemented and assumed a trivial arithmetic mean. to keep them would just be to prentend that nothing changed and let everyone live in ignorance. granted, they did not really hurt the rating system, but they did a) give users the impression that the ratings could easily be mapped to some meaning, b) effectively limit the range of vote values actually used by imposing a "strict" mindset (trying to), (both of which is negative for the users).
The guidelines were written before the current rating system was implemented and assumed a trivial arithmetic mean. To keep them would just be to pretend that nothing changed and let everyone live in ignorance. Granted, they did not really hurt the rating system, but they did a) give users the impression that the ratings could easily be mapped to some meaning, b) effectively limit the range of vote values actually used by imposing a "strict" mindset (trying to), (both of which is negative for the users).


--[[User:Epoximator|Epoximator]] 10:21, 15 February 2008 (CET)
--[[User:Epoximator|Epoximator]] 10:21, 15 February 2008 (CET)
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