Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

Open ideas / comments

• Adding and ranking anime/character tags --unknown author
  • I don't like this idea. Too many crappy tags already. --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)
• Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user --unknown author
• Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author
  • I frankly think those two are rather bad, as this is inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)
• Adding lexicon articles --unknown author
  • Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --Shitenshi 18:55, 18 January 2012 (CET)
    • In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --Hinoe 02:46, 19 January 2012 (CET)
    • Ok, I was thinking about this, and I really think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)
• Converted credits --unknown author
  • Can someone explain to me what this is? --Hinoe 09:34, 17 February 2012 (CET)
• World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched --unknown author
  • I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --Hinoe 02:46, 19 January 2012 (CET)
• Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
• Let's not forget a Wakamoto badge. --Chroniko on IRC
  • I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. --Hinoe 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)
    • Just to clarify, but the lulz regarding Wakamoto is how meme-spawning he is inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. --Hinoe 02:47, 19 January 2012 (CET)
  • Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --Hinoe 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)
• we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --DarkIndy13 on IRC
  • I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --Indy13 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --Shitenshi 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)
• How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --Shitenshi 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
  • I really like this one too. --Hinoe 02:46, 19 January 2012 (CET)
  • On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --Hinoe 02:56, 19 January 2012 (CET)
    • I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --Shitenshi 08:13, 19 January 2012 (CET)
      • The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing against adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)
    • This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --Nwa 21:28, 21 January 2012 (CET)
      • I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --Worf 23:00, 21 January 2012 (CET)
• In regards to additional suggestiond for "Adding X of Y" badges, how about "Adding X Anime Staff"? Unlike the other suggestions, anime staff is rather well moderated and only a select number of people do it (like anime & creator adds are moderated by requiring a creq). --Shitenshi 21:26, 18 January 2012 (CET)
  • Do you mean that only a select number of people add staff, or only a select number deal with creqs in that area? I'm somewhat lost. Also, by ads you meant adds, right? --Hinoe 02:47, 19 January 2012 (CET)
    • Only a select number of people add staff. "ads" should've been adds indeed, sorry. There should be very few/none anime staff add/edit creqs as anyone working on them almost automatically gets the needed rights. Otherwise, creqs would be created in mass volumes... --Shitenshi 08:13, 19 January 2012 (CET)
• "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&Msr on IRC
  • We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)
• Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC
  • I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (ctrl+f grim outlook). --Hinoe 09:31, 17 February 2012 (CET)

Accepted ideas

• Rumiko Takahashi badge! -- BartS on IRC
  • Added. --Worf 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
• Add: Leiji's anime watched. --Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment --msr , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • Added. --Worf 00:25, 19 January 2012 (CET)
• Add: Tezuka Osamu's anime watched. --Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment --msr , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • Added. --Worf 00:25, 19 January 2012 (CET)
• Add: Legend of Galactic Heroes watched. --Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show. --Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH. --ommina 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime. --msr , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)
  • Added. --Worf 00:25, 19 January 2012 (CET)

Denied ideas

• Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups --unknown author
  • Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --Worf 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

Hinoe's ideas for this feature

Pass #1

On the current list of achievements

• Statistical achievements:
  • Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
    • New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
    • Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
    • How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8.
      
      

• One-time achievements:
  • Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
    • Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
  • Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
    • Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?).
      
      

• Special achievements:
  • Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
  • Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
    • The name sucks, taking suggestions.
      
      

• New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
  • Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
  • List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
  • Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members.
    
    

On the current idea section

• I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
  • Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done.
    
    

Other ideas

• Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
  • The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
    • A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else.
      
      

Notes

• I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
• Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp.
  
  

-- Hinoe 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

Responses to pass #1

• Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

• One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom. I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

• Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod. In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work. The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it. That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that? For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

• Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--msr , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

• I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
• Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
• Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
• Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
  • I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the personal mod badges would be for, you know, more personal things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
  • I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--Hinoe 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --Shitenshi 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --Hinoe 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

Pass #2

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Responses to pass #2

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msr's ideas for this feature

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

Pass #1

• Anime achievements:
  • Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
    • This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

Genre Packs

• Adventure
  • Master Keaton

• Horror
  • Hellsing

• Sports
  • Hajime no Ippo
  • Touch
  • Hikaru no Go
  • Major Season 1
  • Akagi
  • Initial D

• Sci-Fi
  • Planetes
  • Seikai no Senki Universe
  • Ghost in the shell SAC
  • Cowboy Bebop
  • Akira
  • Last Exile
  • Bounen no Xamdou
  • Dennou Coil
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion
  • Kaiba

• Fantasy
  • 12K
  • Berserk
  • Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
  • Mushishi
  • Seirei no Moribito
  • Hunter x Hunter

• Crime
  • Monster
  • Death Note
  • Gungrave
  • Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

• Action
  • Hunter X Hunter
  • Black Lagoon

• Drama
  • Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

• Romance
  • Nana
  • Hachimitsu to Clover
  • Bokura ga Ita
  • Paradise Kiss
  • Hoshi no Koe

• Slice of Life
  • Kamichu!
  • Spice and Wolf
  • Kino no Tabi

• Comedy
  • Tokyo Godfathers
  • Nodame Cantabile
  • Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
  • GTO
  • Detroit Metal City
  • Moyashimon
  • Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
  • Ouran Koukou Host Club
  • Chobits
  • Golden Boy

• Statistical achievements:

• • IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
    • The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

• • Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

Responses to pass #1

• Genre packs
  • I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
  • How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
  • The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
  • If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details.
    
    

• Stats
  • IRC Activity is nice.
    • Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
  • Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
    • Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't look like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar.
      
      

--Hinoe 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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• Genre packs
  • For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
  • Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

• Stats
  • Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
  • Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--Shitenshi 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:

• Genre packs
  • Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
  • Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
  • Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.

--Shitenshi 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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• IRC:
  • Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

-- Hinoe (forgot to sign)

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After reading the comments here I think I can go ahead and make these packs happen. I will update them to have enough titles. I will try and get some input on irc for this. --msr 12:00 21 January 2012 (CET)

Hoerie's ideas

Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

Pass #1

Genre packs

• Manly
  • Hokuto no Ken
  • Kenpuu Denki Berserk
  • Mad Bull 34
  • Golgo 13
  • JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

Statistical achievements

• Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

Responses to pass #1

Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --Hinoe 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --Shitenshi 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for anime, not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --ommina 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)

• lol @ anal badge. --Hinoe 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

Main page feedback

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page.

• Anime achievements
  • Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.
    • I'm dumb, nevermind.
  • How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?
    • An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.
    • Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
    • Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).
    • Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks better.
    • LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.
    • Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Mylist achievements
  • Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)
    • Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical>
    • Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Statistical achievements
  • Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.
    • Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
    • I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
      • The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --Shitenshi 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
  • Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
    • Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
      • My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --Shitenshi 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• One-time achievements:
  • Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
    • I concur, the 1st one is better. --Shitenshi 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
  • What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D
    • The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
      • Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --Hinoe 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

• Special achievements:
  • Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.
    • Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--Worf 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

• Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
  • For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
    • That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
    • The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
      • Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
  • Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable?
    
    

• More to come?
  
  

--Hinoe 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --Shitenshi 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Update from via IRC:

[17:57:02] <worf> an option to show or hide certain ones will surely not be implemented
[17:57:49] <worf> i might add an option to disable display of badges for oneself and an option to disable your own badges so noone else can see them
[17:58:09] <worf> but it will always affect all badges
--Shitenshi 18:17, 18 January 2012 (CET) (Gah, wiki styling for new lines?)

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Not having per-badge hiding options is ok and all, but it's necessary to at least respect the already existing profile options. For instance, hiding your files currently hides your mylist size (iirc anyway), hence it should hide your mylist size badge regardless of the hide badges option; likewise, if you hide your from non-buddies, all porn-related badges have to disappear for non-buddies; etc. I believe it would be doable without tons of effort if you can reuse the DB code that checks for userpage/mylist/etc content displaying permission in general, but that's just my guess there. --Hinoe 03:26, 19 January 2012 (CET)

Agreed. Badges need to follow user preferences already defined. If "see my porn" is set to "no one", then a happy badge featuring pixelated tentacles and a convenient tooltip listing the number of episodes of porn watched is an outright bug. I would expect other permission settings to be respected as well. Which is not to say that new permissions will be created to pick and choose - madness that way lay. But we need to respect the user's privacy with what tools are already present. --ommina 06:35, 19 January 2012 (CET)

BartS' random feedback

• I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "user rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

Level 1: user

Level 2: user + secondary

Level 3: Adv. user

Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

Level 6: mod

Level 7: senior mod

Level 8: admin

• While I'm at it: I also think the numbers for eps in mylist , files in mylist , watched eps and size of mylist are too low compared to anime in mylist. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the Mylist Achievments[1] need some adjustment IMO.

Replies to BartS' feedback

• The point about user rank makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended.

--Hinoe 03:19, 19 January 2012 (CET)

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• As for the numbers for mylist achievements, I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed below. Feedback on the numbers?
  • Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is.
  • Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided.
  • Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level).
  • Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided.

--Hinoe 03:19, 19 January 2012 (CET)

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• I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --Shitenshi 08:23, 19 January 2012 (CET)

nwa's grim outlook

I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan).

• That's a fairly good point. I'd like to hear everyone else's opinion on it. --Hinoe 09:03, 17 February 2012 (CET)