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Talk:Achievements Dev

2012-02-22T20:06:52Z

BartS: /* Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general */

= General information =

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.

This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.

= Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general =

* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] on IRC.
** I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]]
** If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]]
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]]

* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]]

* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]]
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + modreport checker/language verifier, adv. user, * maintainer , * creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I think there should be a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=54 Kon Satoshi] Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
**1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? Or one for all the versions of [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Gegege+no+Kitarou&do.search=search Gegege no Kitarou]? How about the [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5787 Natsume Yuujinchou] series? --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. And a creator achievement for Nagai Go. And some definition for "Anime Classics" is needed. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]]

* Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman; and a Creator suggestion for Nagai Gou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

= Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs =

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.

* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]]
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC

* I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --[[User:nwa|nwa]]
** While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal case would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.--[[User:BartS|BartS]]

* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

== Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs ==

Those are the initial suggestions from [[User:msr|msr]] unless otherwise specified.

* Adventure
** Master Keaton
** While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** Spice and Wolf --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Nausicaa --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Katanagatari --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Kino's Journey --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Future Boy Conan --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** R.O.D --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Welcome to the Space Show --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Mujin Wakusei Survive --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Michiko to Hatchin --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Nadia: Secret of Blue Water --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Horror
** Hellsing
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** Shiki --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** When They Cry - Higurashi --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Elfen Lied --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Hell Girl --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D
** Yawara --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter
** I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin
** Baccano! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Cat's Eye --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Durarara!! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Sarai-ya Goyou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Detectives -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified. Maybe merge with Crime for "Law and Order"?
** City Hunter
** Ghost in the Shell
** Nijuu-Mensou no Musume
** Sherlock Hound
** RD Sennou Chousashitsu

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon
** City Hunter --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Fullmetal Alchemist --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Gurren Lagann --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Baccano! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Samurai Champloo --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Trigun --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe
** Kimi ni Todoke --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi
** Usagi Drop --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Aria the Animation --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Haibane-Renmei --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Hanasaku Iroha --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Wagnaria!! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Manly -- All in this genre suggested by [[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] unless otherwise specified.
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

* Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Daikon III & IV
** Genshiken
** Lucky Star
** Tetsuko no Tabi
** Oreimo
** Otaku no Video
** Welcome to the N.H.K
** Princess Jellyfish(?)

* School Daze -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Great Teacher Onizuka
** The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
** School Rumble
** Toradora!
** Azumanga Daioh
** Kimi ni Todoke
** Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
** Genshiken
** The Tatami Galaxy
** K-ON!

* The 80s Introductions, those shows that made it over the ocean and introduced anime to a lot of people -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Speed Racer
** Transformers
** Macross

* The 90s Rush -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Akira
** Ranma 1/2
** Dragon Ball Z

* Afterlife Specials -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Galaxy 999
** Haibane-Renmei
** Angel Beat

* They Were Big in Japan, shows that were Big in Japan but didn't make that big a impression elsewhere at the time -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Cat's Eye
** Yawara

* Fairy Tales -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** The Snow Queen
** Swan Lake
** 1001 Nights
** World Famous Fairy Tales
** Cinderella
** Grimm`s Fairy Tale Classics
** Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp
** Thumbelina (1978)
** Princess Mononoke (?)

* Historical -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Barefoot Gen
** Grave of the Fireflies
** Samurai Champloo
** Millennium Actress
** Ojii-san no Lamp
** Hetalia
** Thermae Romae

* War -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Barefoot Gen
** Grave of the Fireflies
** Howl`s Moving Castle
** Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
** Break Blade
** Cat Shit One
** Flag
** Library War
** Like The Clouds, Like The Wind
** Pumpkin Scissors
** Valkyria Chronicles
** The Sky Crawlers
** Voices of a Distant Star

Talk:Achievements Dev

2012-02-22T20:00:08Z

BartS: /* Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs */

= General information =

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.

This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.

= Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general =

* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] on IRC.
** I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]]
** If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]]
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]]

* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]]

* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]]
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + secondary, adv. user, adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3), adv. user + creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I think there should be a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=54 Kon Satoshi] Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
**1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? Or one for all the versions of [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Gegege+no+Kitarou&do.search=search Gegege no Kitarou]? How about the [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5787 Natsume Yuujinchou] series? --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. And a creator achievement for Nagai Go. And some definition for "Anime Classics" is needed. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]]

* Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman; and a Creator suggestion for Nagai Gou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

= Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs =

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.

* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]]
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC

* I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --[[User:nwa|nwa]]
** While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal case would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.--[[User:BartS|BartS]]

* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

== Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs ==

Those are the initial suggestions from [[User:msr|msr]] unless otherwise specified.

* Adventure
** Master Keaton
** While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** Spice and Wolf --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Nausicaa --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Katanagatari --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Kino's Journey --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Future Boy Conan --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** R.O.D --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Welcome to the Space Show --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Mujin Wakusei Survive --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Michiko to Hatchin --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Nadia: Secret of Blue Water --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Horror
** Hellsing
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** Shiki --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** When They Cry - Higurashi --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Elfen Lied --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Hell Girl --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D
** Yawara --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter
** I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin
** Baccano! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Cat's Eye --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Durarara!! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Sarai-ya Goyou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Detectives -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified. Maybe merge with Crime for "Law and Order"?
** City Hunter
** Ghost in the Shell
** Nijuu-Mensou no Musume
** Sherlock Hound
** RD Sennou Chousashitsu

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon
** City Hunter --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Fullmetal Alchemist --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Gurren Lagann --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Baccano! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Samurai Champloo --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Trigun --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe
** Kimi ni Todoke --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi
** Usagi Drop --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Aria the Animation --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Haibane-Renmei --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Hanasaku Iroha --[[User:JQF|JQF]]
** Wagnaria!! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Manly -- All in this genre suggested by [[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] unless otherwise specified.
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

* Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Daikon III & IV
** Genshiken
** Lucky Star
** Tetsuko no Tabi
** Oreimo
** Otaku no Video
** Welcome to the N.H.K
** Princess Jellyfish(?)

* School Daze -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Great Teacher Onizuka
** The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
** School Rumble
** Toradora!
** Azumanga Daioh
** Kimi ni Todoke
** Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
** Genshiken
** The Tatami Galaxy
** K-ON!

* The 80s Introductions, those shows that made it over the ocean and introduced anime to a lot of people -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Speed Racer
** Transformers
** Macross

* The 90s Rush -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Akira
** Ranma 1/2
** Dragon Ball Z

* Afterlife Specials -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Galaxy 999
** Haibane-Renmei
** Angel Beat

* They Were Big in Japan, shows that were Big in Japan but didn't make that big a impression elsewhere at the time -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Cat's Eye
** Yawara

* Fairy Tales -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** The Snow Queen
** Swan Lake
** 1001 Nights
** World Famous Fairy Tales
** Cinderella
** Grimm`s Fairy Tale Classics
** Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp
** Thumbelina (1978)
** Princess Mononoke (?)

* Historical -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Barefoot Gen
** Grave of the Fireflies
** Samurai Champloo
** Millennium Actress
** Ojii-san no Lamp
** Hetalia
** Thermae Romae

* War -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Barefoot Gen
** Grave of the Fireflies
** Howl`s Moving Castle
** Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
** Break Blade
** Cat Shit One
** Flag
** Library War
** Like The Clouds, Like The Wind
** Pumpkin Scissors
** Valkyria Chronicles
** The Sky Crawlers
** Voices of a Distant Star

Talk:Achievements Dev

2012-02-22T17:40:16Z

BartS: /* Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs */

= General information =

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.

This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.

= Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general =

* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] on IRC.
** I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]]
** If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]]
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]]

* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]]

* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]]
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + secondary, adv. user, adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3), adv. user + creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I think there should be a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=54 Kon Satoshi] Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
**1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? Or one for all the versions of [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Gegege+no+Kitarou&do.search=search Gegege no Kitarou]? How about the [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5787 Natsume Yuujinchou] series? --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. And a creator achievement for Nagai Go. And some definition for "Anime Classics" is needed. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]]

* Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman; and a Creator suggestion for Nagai Gou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

= Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs =

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.

* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]]
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC

* I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --[[User:nwa|nwa]]
** While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal chase would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.--[[User:BartS|BartS]]

* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

== Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs ==

Those are the initial suggestions from [[User:msr|msr]] unless otherwise specified.

* Adventure
** Master Keaton
** While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Horror
** Hellsing
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter
** I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe
** Kimi ni Todoke --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Manly -- All in this genre suggested by [[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] unless otherwise specified.
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

* Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Daikon III & IV
** Genshiken
** Lucky Star
** Tetsuko no Tabi
** Oreimo
** Otaku no Video
** Welcome to the N.H.K
** Princess Jellyfish(?)

Talk:Achievements Dev

2012-02-22T17:39:11Z

BartS: /* Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs */

= General information =

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.

This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.

= Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general =

* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] on IRC.
** I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]]
** If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]]
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]]

* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]]

* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]]
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + secondary, adv. user, adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3), adv. user + creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I think there should be a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=54 Kon Satoshi] Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
**1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? Or one for all the versions of [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Gegege+no+Kitarou&do.search=search Gegege no Kitarou]? How about the [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5787 Natsume Yuujinchou] series? --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. And a creator achievement for Nagai Go. And some definition for "Anime Classics" is needed. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]]

* Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman; and a Creator suggestion for Nagai Gou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

= Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs =

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.

* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]]
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC

* I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --[[User:nwa|nwa]]
** While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal chase would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.
--[[User:BartS|BartS]]

* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

== Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs ==

Those are the initial suggestions from [[User:msr|msr]] unless otherwise specified.

* Adventure
** Master Keaton
** While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Horror
** Hellsing
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter
** I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe
** Kimi ni Todoke --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Manly -- All in this genre suggested by [[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] unless otherwise specified.
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

* Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Daikon III & IV
** Genshiken
** Lucky Star
** Tetsuko no Tabi
** Oreimo
** Otaku no Video
** Welcome to the N.H.K
** Princess Jellyfish(?)

Talk:Achievements Dev

2012-02-22T17:38:06Z

BartS: /* Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs */

= General information =

Welcome to the talk page for the Achievements feature on the AniDB wiki. Here we're discussing what to do to enhance it. Feel free to add your input, but try to observe the existing formatting so as to keep consistency and (most importantly!) don't forget to sign.

This page was reformulated on 2012-02-20 and brought all the data from the old talk page, which may or may not still be accessible [[Talk:Achievements/Archive|here]]. All useful data was transferred. Answered questions, suggestions the authors gave up on, denied suggestions and implemented suggestions were ignored for the sake of keeping the page clean.

= Open ideas, concerns, problems, and comments in general =

* deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* For the granted creqs achievement, add a second special constraint: also require a ratio between granted and denied (alongside the existing one, the difference between them), instead of just the difference. Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50. How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* For adding favorites to userpage, add special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries. --[[User:msr|msr]]

* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user and number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate) --unknown author(s)
** I frankly think those are rather bad ideas, as these achievements are inherently biased (yearly production varies; a 30 year old user and a 16 year old one will have wildly different amounts to watch...). In addition, privacy-concerned users will have one less badge to show off, as many avoid putting their birth date. You won't find mine on AniDB. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Adding lexicon articles and converted credits --unknown author(s)
** Though DerIdiot is trying to work on some new better version of categories/tags/lexicon; may thus be redundant at some point in time? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
*** In that case, we might put this idea on hold until the idea of how a new system would be takes shape. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Ok, I was thinking about this, and I ''really'' think the way Lexicon works now is mostly ok. While yes, the cat/tag/ctag/crtag system needs to change, I think Lexicon itself is ok. Lexicon entries are quite well-moderated (requiring add creqs and stuff), they need the user to actually work (while not requiring them to know japanese or any such difficulties related to adding creators, adding anime, etc; just some common sense and a brain should generally suffice), and, most importantly, they help create higher quality tags by promoting integration, etc, not to mention the pic. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* [http://anidb.net/tag111 World Masterpiece Theater] series anime watched --unknown author
** I like this one a lot. They're not linked closely like other creator/show badges, but it makes sense because the brand name has its own touch and is generally based off classic literature. Culture never hurts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I agree! Not to mention (most of them) are really good! --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members) --unknown author
** Sounds good to me. Maybe increase the minumum member amount? Maybe also having a minimum post requirement? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to here? That one would need another image, not sure what. I first thought of something Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge. --Chroniko on IRC
** I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else. He is very meme-spawning inside the anime community. It's really the kind of thing non-watchers would never, ever understand. He's also very awesome in general. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched) --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] on IRC.
** I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused. --[[User:Indy13|Indy13]]
** If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
** I really like this one too. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** On second thought, maybe I don't like it as much. Community awards are often given to mediocre and overrated shows. It doesn't make sense to give awards to Top 10 shows. What remains are things like the Mainichi Awards, which isn't that relevant for western viewers. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** I'm not that familiar with the awards myself, but why would the Mainichi awards not be relevant? Not all anime categories/creator categories are relevant for everyone either; it's just a way to grouop anime? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]
**** The idea is that the Mainichi awards and similar are fairly obscure on this side of the Europe-Asia division (or, alternatively, this side of the Pacific -- whichever works best for you). Of course, I have nothing ''against'' adding them; I just wonder about their actual usefulness. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** This would only be good if we'd have official awards present (like Mainichi, but I don't even know if that one is up to date), for ARC awards I'd have to say no. --[[User:Nwa|Nwa]]
**** I've added the missing Mainichi Awards a few days ago --[[User:Worf|Worf]]

* "Category" based badges (where the max level is a certain % seen of all animes with that category). --Arcturon&[[User:msr|msr]] on IRC
** We already have this for porn, which at the end of the day is a category, so why the hell not. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]]

* Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement. --[[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]]
** Might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something. My suggestions for levels 1-8 are the following: user, user + secondary, adv. user, adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3), adv. user + creq handler, mod, senior mod, admin. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** Makes sense. Previously, non-sub users got level 1 or perhaps 2 (maybe sub users got 1, can't remember). I'm not sure if we should rename it staff rank or change the levels. It depends on what was first intended. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO. --[[User:BartS|BartS]]
** I agree that the anime numbers are high in comparison with the rest. I just checked the stats and made averages: 222 MB per file and 18.0 eps per anime. I'd say we should go with 15 or so eps per anime (I think AniDB's stats for episodes count S/C/T/P/O episodes, hence why 15 instead of 18), 1 file per ep (you have redundant files? good for you...) and 250 MB per file in the calculation of what's a good badge number. Also, using roriconfan's fake stats as a good time wasted approximation, I calculated that 730 days is roughly equivalent to a bit over 40 thousand episodes. That averages to 26.3 minutes per episode, which sounds decent if we consider that movies are normally longer. 25 minutes sounds like a good approximation. What I make of this is detailed right below. Feedback on the numbers? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Eps in mylist, watched eps, files in mylist: keep as is. Size of mylist: Something between 200 and 250 MB per episode; exact number yet to be decided. Time wasted: 25 mins per episode (just make 25 * number of episodes in the level). Anime in mylist: Something between 15 and 20 eps per anime, likely 15-18; exact number yet to be decided. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
**** (context: saying the above numbers are bad) if i'm going to adjust the values i might as well actually use the real numbers --[[User:Worf|Worf]] on IRC
** I agree that some numbers need tweaking, most of all the Time Watched/Wasted, since it's very out-of-whack with the others. While random suggestions are popping up; could we figure out a badge for real collectors (aka those who want more than just the episodes, but look for all available specials, trailers, ... as well)? Then again, such a badge would more likely be a percentage of eps in mylist over the total number of eps in the anime in mylist; than one with levels where getting X files would bring you to level Y... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* "Achievement" badge for having numerous stalled and/or dropped entries. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
** Why the hell would you want that? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
*** Primarily just for reminding/encouraging users to watch what they had initially started, e.g. if user has reached over 50 stalled anime on their mylist. Badge would disappear if the value decreases below the threshold. Alternatively thought about an achievement depending on the watched-% (watched episodes / mylist episodes), but this could be rather easy to get for anyone who's only adding already seen anime to their lists. --[[User:Xenodor|Xenodor]]
**** While I somewhat see where this is coming from, I have strong doubts about the actual usefulness or value of such a non-achievement. If anything, it looks to me more like a "coward medal", so to speak, and I fail to see why we would want that. The badges are supposed to be something you'd show off to your not-so-hardcore fellows (lol, am I really saying this?), not a system of reminders telling you that you missed an episode of so-and-so franchise or that you're late in x or y series. They're supposed to be a general description of, well, achievements (oh, Captain Obvious, you don't say?! I'd never have guessed! :P); for reports on their status in series and franchises and such, AniDB has tons of much more useful features. Just my personal opinion, though. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* I think there should be a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=54 Kon Satoshi] Creator Badge! He's got the highly reputable body of work for it. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* I'd like to see either an Aria Anime Badge, or a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=634 Iyashi-kei] Genre Badge. Given that there's currently on 17 anime in the cat it's not hugh, although it could be paired done to ten given that a number of them are sequels to already included series. Maybe the ten could be:
**1) Aria the Animation 2) Hidamari Sketch 3) Iblard Jikan 4) Kamichu! 5) Omoide Poro-poro 6) Sketchbook: Full Color`s 7) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatte Iru 8) Tamayura 9) Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou 10) Kokoro Toshokan. Which is all of them minus the sequels... huh, funny how that worked out. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* Would a [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&lexiconid=76 noitaminA] Badge be out of place? Or one for all the versions of [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Gegege+no+Kitarou&do.search=search Gegege no Kitarou]? How about the [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5787 Natsume Yuujinchou] series? --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about Collection Badges for shows heavily based in & around other countries? For example, Canada could have Akage no Anne, Kaze no Shoujo Emily, Skating Ring Kaleidoscope and Wakakusa no Charlotte, Italy could have Gunslinger Girl, Hetalia, Ristorante Paradiso and Thermae Romae, France could have Croisee in a Foreign Labyrinth, Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette, Rose of Versailles and The Three Musketeers, and so on. --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

* How about a "Completed a Genre" badge? For example, let's say I have watched EVERY shoujo-ai anime there is in DB. Also a "Complete Transformers/Mazinger Z/Getter Robo" would be cool, like with LoGH, Macross, Gundam. And a creator achievement for Nagai Go. And some definition for "Anime Classics" is needed. --[[User:greekot|greeksot]]

* Some more Series suggestion: Evangelion and Gatchaman; and a Creator suggestion for Nagai Gou --[[User:JQF|JQF]]

= Anime Classics and/or Genre Packs =

Since this specific field of discussion is too big, it has been split off to its own section. Genre packs are detailed below and are not confuse with the category badges, which would refer to an ENTIRE category, not to specific choices.

* Add badges for selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another. --[[User:msr|msr]]
** Below is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime. People willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc. --[[User:msr|msr]]
*** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)? --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

* Staff's selection badges (each mod personally picks ~10 anime which are grouped for his personal selection badge). --Arcturon on IRC

* I don't approve of achievements based on a list generated by random users, cause that's what we all are. What exactly would this badge represent, that you've watched the selected anime from certain genre, picked by other anime fans. I don't see the point in that. I've also seen the classic anime badge, and isn't it the same thing? Classic by whose definition? Ours? I'd much rather have badges based on (mostly) factual data or based on opinions of something official (the awards given in official events in Japan). --[[User:nwa|nwa]]
** While I like the general idea of genre badges, I agree with nwa's points. There will be constant complaint about this series not being considered while that one is. The ideal chase would be if the achievement considers all series with max weight of a certain category.

* I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on nwa's considerations on this matter (see above). He has some decent points. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]]

== Tentative title lists for the Genre Packs ==

Those are the initial suggestions from [[User:msr|msr]] unless otherwise specified.

* Adventure
** Master Keaton
** While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Horror
** Hellsing
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter
** I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe
** Kimi ni Todoke --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]]

* Manly -- All in this genre suggested by [[User:Hoerie|Hoerie]] unless otherwise specified.
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

* Otaku-tastic -- All suggested by [[User:JQF|JQF]] unless otherwise specified.
** Daikon III & IV
** Genshiken
** Lucky Star
** Tetsuko no Tabi
** Oreimo
** Otaku no Video
** Welcome to the N.H.K
** Princess Jellyfish(?)

Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

2012-01-18T16:28:03Z

BartS: /* BartS' random feedback */

= Random ideas =
* Adding and ranking anime/character tags
* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user
* Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate)
* <s>Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups</s>
** Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
* Adding lexicon articles
* Converted credits
* World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched
* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members)

^ The above was brought from the main page.

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Random ideas from the IRC channel and my comments:

* <%DarkIndy13> we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched)
* <s><BartS> [http://anidb.net/cr818 Rumiko Takahashi] badge!</s>
** Added. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* <%Chroniko> Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge.

* Mostly agree with all. I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else.
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts.

(Can we have auto-signing? I'm tired of forgetting.)

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)

:I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused.
:--[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)

= Hinoe's ideas for this feature =

== Pass #1 ==

=== On the current list of achievements ===

<s>
* Anime achievements:
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1107 Leiji's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1195 Tezuka Osamu's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=584 Legend of Galactic Heroes] watched.
*** This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show.</s>
All those were sent to the main list. 

* Statistical achievements:
** Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
*** New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
*** Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
*** How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. 

* One-time achievements:
** Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
*** Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
** Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
*** Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?). 

* Special achievements:
** Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
** Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
*** The name sucks, taking suggestions. 

* New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
** Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
** List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
** Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members. 

=== On the current idea section ===

* I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
** Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done. 

=== Other ideas ===

* Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
** The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
*** A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. 

=== Notes ===

* I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
* Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp. 

-- [[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

== Responses to pass #1 ==

If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH.

--[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)

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* Watched Badges

1) I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime.

2) Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment

3) Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment

* Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

* One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom.
I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

* Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod.
In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work.
The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it.
That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that?
For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

* Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--[[User:msr|msr]] , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

* I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
* Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
* Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
* Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
** I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the ''personal'' mod badges would be for, you know, more ''personal'' things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
** I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself
LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

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== Responses to pass #2 ==

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= msr's ideas for this feature =

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

== Pass #1 ==

* Anime achievements:
** Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
*** This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

'''Genre Packs'''
* Adventure
** Master Keaton

* Horror
** Hellsing

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Statistical achievements:

** IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
*** The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

** Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
* Genre packs
** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
** If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details. 

* Stats
** IRC Activity is nice.
*** Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
** Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

 
P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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* Genre packs
** For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
** Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

* Stats
** Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:
* Genre packs
** Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
** Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.
--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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* IRC:
** Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

== Pass #2 ==

= Hoerie's ideas =
Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

== Pass #1 ==
''Genre packs''
* Manly
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

''Statistical achievements''
* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone.
--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for ''anime'', not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* lol @ anal badge. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

= Main page feedback =

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page. 

* Anime achievements
** <s>Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.</s>
*** I'm dumb, nevermind.
** <s>How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?</s>
*** An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.</s>
*** Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
*** Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).</s>
*** Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks ''better''.</s>
*** LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.</s>
*** Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Mylist achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)</s>
*** Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical></s>
*** Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Statistical achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.</s>
*** Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
*** I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
** Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
*** Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
**** My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* One-time achievements:
** Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
*** I concur, the 1st one is better. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D</s>
*** The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

* Special achievements:
** <s>Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.</s>
*** Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
** For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
*** That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
*** The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
**** Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
** Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable? 

* More to come? 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

= BartS' random feedback =

* I'm not happy with the '''user rank''' levels. First of all, why is it called "'''''user'' rank'''" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

Level 1: user

Level 2: user + secondary

Level 3: Adv. user

Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

Level 6: mod

Level 7: senior mod

Level 8: admin

* While I'm at it: I also think the numbers for '''eps in mylist ''', '''files in mylist ''', '''watched eps''' and '''size of mylist''' are too low compared to '''anime in mylist'''. I mean, 5000 anime are like 100000 eps (depending on the movie/ova portion). Anyway, the '''Mylist Achievments'''[http://wiki.anidb.net/w/Achievements#Mylist_Achievements] need some adjustment IMO.

Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

2012-01-18T16:04:26Z

BartS: /* BartS' random feedback */

= Random ideas =
* Adding and ranking anime/character tags
* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user
* Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate)
* <s>Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups</s>
** Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
* Adding lexicon articles
* Converted credits
* World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched
* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members)

^ The above was brought from the main page.

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Random ideas from the IRC channel and my comments:

* <%DarkIndy13> we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched)
* <s><BartS> [http://anidb.net/cr818 Rumiko Takahashi] badge!</s>
** Added. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* <%Chroniko> Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge.

* Mostly agree with all. I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else.
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts.

(Can we have auto-signing? I'm tired of forgetting.)

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)

:I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused.
:--[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)

= Hinoe's ideas for this feature =

== Pass #1 ==

=== On the current list of achievements ===

<s>
* Anime achievements:
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1107 Leiji's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1195 Tezuka Osamu's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=584 Legend of Galactic Heroes] watched.
*** This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show.</s>
All those were sent to the main list. 

* Statistical achievements:
** Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
*** New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
*** Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
*** How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. 

* One-time achievements:
** Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
*** Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
** Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
*** Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?). 

* Special achievements:
** Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
** Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
*** The name sucks, taking suggestions. 

* New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
** Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
** List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
** Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members. 

=== On the current idea section ===

* I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
** Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done. 

=== Other ideas ===

* Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
** The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
*** A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. 

=== Notes ===

* I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
* Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp. 

-- [[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

== Responses to pass #1 ==

If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH.

--[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)

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* Watched Badges

1) I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime.

2) Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment

3) Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment

* Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

* One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom.
I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

* Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod.
In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work.
The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it.
That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that?
For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

* Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--[[User:msr|msr]] , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

* I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
* Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
* Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
* Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
** I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the ''personal'' mod badges would be for, you know, more ''personal'' things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
** I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself
LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

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== Responses to pass #2 ==

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= msr's ideas for this feature =

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

== Pass #1 ==

* Anime achievements:
** Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
*** This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

'''Genre Packs'''
* Adventure
** Master Keaton

* Horror
** Hellsing

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Statistical achievements:

** IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
*** The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

** Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
* Genre packs
** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
** If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details. 

* Stats
** IRC Activity is nice.
*** Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
** Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

 
P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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* Genre packs
** For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
** Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

* Stats
** Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:
* Genre packs
** Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
** Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.
--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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* IRC:
** Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

== Pass #2 ==

= Hoerie's ideas =
Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

== Pass #1 ==
''Genre packs''
* Manly
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

''Statistical achievements''
* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone.
--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for ''anime'', not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* lol @ anal badge. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

= Main page feedback =

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page. 

* Anime achievements
** <s>Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.</s>
*** I'm dumb, nevermind.
** <s>How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?</s>
*** An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.</s>
*** Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
*** Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).</s>
*** Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks ''better''.</s>
*** LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.</s>
*** Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Mylist achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)</s>
*** Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical></s>
*** Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Statistical achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.</s>
*** Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
*** I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
** Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
*** Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
**** My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* One-time achievements:
** Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
*** I concur, the 1st one is better. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D</s>
*** The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

* Special achievements:
** <s>Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.</s>
*** Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
** For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
*** That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
*** The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
**** Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
** Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable? 

* More to come? 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

= BartS' random feedback =

* I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "''user'' rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

Level 1: user

Level 2: user + secondary

Level 3: Adv. user

Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

Level 6: mod

Level 7: senior mod

Level 8: admin

Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

2012-01-18T15:29:53Z

BartS: /* BartS' random feedback */

= Random ideas =
* Adding and ranking anime/character tags
* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user
* Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate)
* <s>Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups</s>
** Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
* Adding lexicon articles
* Converted credits
* World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched
* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members)

^ The above was brought from the main page.

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Random ideas from the IRC channel and my comments:

* <%DarkIndy13> we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched)
* <s><BartS> [http://anidb.net/cr818 Rumiko Takahashi] badge!</s>
** Added. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* <%Chroniko> Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge.

* Mostly agree with all. I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else.
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts.

(Can we have auto-signing? I'm tired of forgetting.)

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)

:I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused.
:--[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)

= Hinoe's ideas for this feature =

== Pass #1 ==

=== On the current list of achievements ===

<s>
* Anime achievements:
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1107 Leiji's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1195 Tezuka Osamu's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=584 Legend of Galactic Heroes] watched.
*** This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show.</s>
All those were sent to the main list. 

* Statistical achievements:
** Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
*** New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
*** Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
*** How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. 

* One-time achievements:
** Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
*** Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
** Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
*** Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?). 

* Special achievements:
** Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
** Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
*** The name sucks, taking suggestions. 

* New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
** Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
** List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
** Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members. 

=== On the current idea section ===

* I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
** Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done. 

=== Other ideas ===

* Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
** The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
*** A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. 

=== Notes ===

* I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
* Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp. 

-- [[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

== Responses to pass #1 ==

If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH.

--[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)

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* Watched Badges

1) I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime.

2) Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment

3) Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment

* Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

* One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom.
I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

* Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod.
In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work.
The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it.
That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that?
For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

* Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--[[User:msr|msr]] , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

* I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
* Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
* Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
* Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
** I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the ''personal'' mod badges would be for, you know, more ''personal'' things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
** I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself
LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

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== Responses to pass #2 ==

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= msr's ideas for this feature =

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

== Pass #1 ==

* Anime achievements:
** Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
*** This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

'''Genre Packs'''
* Adventure
** Master Keaton

* Horror
** Hellsing

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Statistical achievements:

** IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
*** The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

** Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
* Genre packs
** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
** If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details. 

* Stats
** IRC Activity is nice.
*** Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
** Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

 
P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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* Genre packs
** For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
** Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

* Stats
** Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:
* Genre packs
** Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
** Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.
--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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* IRC:
** Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

== Pass #2 ==

= Hoerie's ideas =
Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

== Pass #1 ==
''Genre packs''
* Manly
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

''Statistical achievements''
* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone.
--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for ''anime'', not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* lol @ anal badge. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

= Main page feedback =

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page. 

* Anime achievements
** <s>Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.</s>
*** I'm dumb, nevermind.
** <s>How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?</s>
*** An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.</s>
*** Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
*** Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).</s>
*** Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks ''better''.</s>
*** LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.</s>
*** Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Mylist achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)</s>
*** Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical></s>
*** Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Statistical achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.</s>
*** Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
*** I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
** Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
*** Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
**** My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* One-time achievements:
** Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
*** I concur, the 1st one is better. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D</s>
*** The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

* Special achievements:
** <s>Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.</s>
*** Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
** For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
*** That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
*** The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
**** Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
** Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable? 

* More to come? 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

= BartS' random feedback =

- I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "''user'' rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

Level 1: user

Level 2: user + secondary

Level 3: Adv. user

Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

Level 6: mod

Level 7: senior mod

Level 8: admin

Talk:Achievements Dev/Archive

2012-01-18T15:29:12Z

BartS:

= Random ideas =
* Adding and ranking anime/character tags
* Number of anime watched before the birthdate of the user
* Number of anime watched from the childhood of the user (4-16 years since birthdate)
* <s>Adding episodes/files/characters/song/collections/groups</s>
** Not gonna happen. Statwhoring by adding useless/crappy/incomplete entries is too likely. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 17:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)
* Adding lexicon articles
* Converted credits
* World Masterpiece Theater series anime watched
* Creating a popular club (eg 50+ members)

^ The above was brought from the main page.

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Random ideas from the IRC channel and my comments:

* <%DarkIndy13> we should have a lolicon badge (amount of pedo anime watched)
* <s><BartS> [http://anidb.net/cr818 Rumiko Takahashi] badge!</s>
** Added. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 00:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* <%Chroniko> Let's not forget a [http://anidb.net/cr2 Wakamoto] badge.

* Mostly agree with all. I figure the Wakamoto one would be a problem, but we might want it for the lulz if nothing else.
** Seiyuu in general might be limited to at least secondary cast. No use for the listing of all Wakamoto walk-on parts.

(Can we have auto-signing? I'm tired of forgetting.)

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 04:14, 17 January 2012 (CET)

:I suggest that duck from Moetan for the lolicon badge. Pedobear is just too overused.
:--[[User:Indy13|Indy13]] 10:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

If there is a loli badge, I want a shota badge to match :P . --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:05, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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How about adding an Anime Achievement for "Award Anime" watched? (The anime which have received Awards, as listed on AniDB)? --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 16:28, 18 January 2012 (CET)

= Hinoe's ideas for this feature =

== Pass #1 ==

=== On the current list of achievements ===

<s>
* Anime achievements:
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1107 Leiji's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/cr1195 Tezuka Osamu's anime] watched.
** Add: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=584 Legend of Galactic Heroes] watched.
*** This one was already semi-denied, but I'd still like it considered since it's a franchise bigger than average, highly complex, filled with hundreds of characters, old as dirt (all of the aforementioned disliked by the average anime watcher, who would rather skip those and watch recent short no-brainer tsundere loli shows with Kugimiya Rie voicing the "urusai, urusai, urusai!" lead), and still a top 10 show.</s>
All those were sent to the main list. 

* Statistical achievements:
** Edit: Granted creqs: add a second special constraint.
*** New constraint: requires both the difference between granted and denied and a ratio between them, instead of just the difference.
*** Example ratios for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50.
*** How that would work: a level 8 person would need 5555 granted for 555 denied; if they had one more granted and one more denied, they would be set back to level 7. Currently, one more granted and one more denied would keep them at level 8. 

* One-time achievements:
** Edit: adding favorites to userpage: add special constraint.
*** Special constraint: minimum of 3 areas with at least 10 favorites each, plus minimum of 50 overall favorites.
** Edit: add buddies: becomes statistical achievement.
*** Example amounts for levels 1-8: 1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 20, 30, 50; no special constraint (?). 

* Special achievements:
** Add: creativity: having several good ideas related to the improvement of AniDB.
** Add: bug hunting: finding and reporting many bugs.
*** The name sucks, taking suggestions. 

* New kind of achievements: Mod activity achievements:
** Achievements on great jobs done by AniDB staff.
** List of great jobs pending brainstorms.
** Given TO staff members. Contrast with mod achievements, that are given BY staff members. 

=== On the current idea section ===

* I generally like the ideas, but most of them need some work done on them before they enter the list.
** Willing to sit and talk with whomever's in charge (worf?) in order to get them done. 

=== Other ideas ===

* Take the Haruhi image from the "joined a club" achievement to the "created a popular club" one.
** The "joined a club" achievement would get another school club related image. Still not sure what.
*** A first idea was Higurashi-related, possibly from a punishment game, but I don't think it works really well, so I'm trying to think of something else. 

=== Notes ===

* I know deridiot doesn't really want anime-specific images for the general, but it's not like we have many better choices.
* Please add your responses below and don't forget to sign them with nick and timestamp. 

-- [[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:41, 16 January 2012 (CET)

== Responses to pass #1 ==

If we can have Pokemon, Digimon, and Dragon Ball, we can bloody well have LOGH.

--[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 13:49, 16 January 2012 (CET)

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* Watched Badges

1) I think a LOGH badge is not a bad idea. It is certainly special enough to be considered and I for one would applaud the use of badges to encourage watching old / obscure / rare / gems anime.

2) Leiji's anime: same as the logh comment

3) Tezuka Osamu's Anime: Same as logh comment

* Statistical Achievements:

1) I like the idea of a creq badge with ratio. Ratio is a more honest representation imo.

* One Time Achievements:

1) The special constraint for adding favorites to the userpage seem good to me. Not everyone should get the badge for adding some random entries.

2) Adding budies becoming statistical: I actually wouldn't do this. It encourages people to send out random buddy requests to everyone and his mom.
I don't believe we want to encourage this sort of behavior.

* Special Achievements:

1) Creativity Badge: I have nothing against it but I wonder if it'll be used at all. The only way to hand this badge out is by way of a mod.
In which case the mods personal badge could be used. I'm not sure but I doubt the mods want a whole array of badges to pin on everyone.

2) Bug Hunting Badge: I actually proposed this myself a few days ago. I would like this but I am at a loss on how to make it work.
The only way I see this working is if the bugtracker is linked to it.
That would mean the "checker" should have access to the tracker and check for bugreports that get acknowledged or something like that?
For a name I have no clue Bug Hunter works imo.

* Mod activity achievements:

1) While I like the idea. Again how would this be controlled / worked with?

I'm gonna try and append my idea's to this page or create a related page or something soon. Please to check those aswell and give feedback.

--[[User:msr|msr]] , 15:31 16 January 2012 (CET)

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@ msr

* I like the concept of badges for obscure shows (old or otherwise), specially good ones.
* Adding buddies comment: I agree. Scrap that idea.
* Creativity and bug hunting badges: I think all special achievements should be handed out by staff.
* Mod activity badges: handed out by staff, I should say; probably on decision of senior (or non-mini) mods and above.
** I forgot to mention it earlier, but I was thinking something in terms of the mod activity badges being for actual work (monkey work or otherwise) done, while the ''personal'' mod badges would be for, you know, more ''personal'' things, like in-jokes, staff friendship, community interaction, that sort of stuff. After all, if staff members can't be a little less serious in their own userpages, that's gonna be a hassle. :P
** I'm starting to realize that personal mod badges, mod activity badges and special achievement badges have some overlap, which might make their implementation painful and somewhat redundant. Perhaps I should try this again from scratch?

@ myself
LoGH, Leiji and Tezuka Osamu passed. I'm striking them out.

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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What are the restrictions for Anime Achievements? Bleach is around 350 episodes, Naruto in total is over 400. Yu Gi Ou has at least 550 episodes. Battle Spirits seems something similar to Yu Gi Ou (though I have never seen it, so cannot be sure). If it is, they could even be combined into watching 'card battle animes'? Beyblade has reached some 250 eps, maybe a bit too small for the achievements. I'm sure there are other anime like this; lesser known than Bleach/OP/... but also ongoing for quite a while now. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CET)

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Apparently "not being a derp show" (phrase it as you like) is a restriction. Ask worf for details, apparently he vetoes those. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 16:18, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

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== Responses to pass #2 ==

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= msr's ideas for this feature =

I'm stealing Hinoe's layout to keep this stuff somewhat consistent

== Pass #1 ==

* Anime achievements:
** Add: [Multiple] Selected titles for a set of genres. The idea here would be to have a sort of "watchpack" per genre for which the episodes are counted (like the db / pokemon / etc badges). The series in these packs should be examplary for the genre and generally be considered "great watches". I'm currently not set on a list of minimal requirements for these badges (how many of anime's, how many eps,...) but I wouldn't make it too strict. One genre doesn't necesarilly hold asmuch good titles as another.
*** This is what I currently have on this. I would like to compile a list made up by me and some other people who have watched a decent amount of anime.

'''Genre Packs'''
* Adventure
** Master Keaton

* Horror
** Hellsing

* Sports
** Hajime no Ippo
** Touch
** Hikaru no Go
** Major Season 1
** Akagi
** Initial D

* Sci-Fi
** Planetes
** Seikai no Senki Universe
** Ghost in the shell SAC
** Cowboy Bebop
** Akira
** Last Exile
** Bounen no Xamdou
** Dennou Coil
** Neon Genesis Evangelion
** Kaiba

* Fantasy
** 12K
** Berserk
** Hagane no Renkinjutsushi
** Mushishi
** Seirei no Moribito
** Hunter x Hunter

* Crime
** Monster
** Death Note
** Gungrave
** Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin

* Action
** Hunter X Hunter
** Black Lagoon

* Drama
** Rurouni Kenshin Tsuioku Hen

* Romance
** Nana
** Hachimitsu to Clover
** Bokura ga Ita
** Paradise Kiss
** Hoshi no Koe

* Slice of Life
** Kamichu!
** Spice and Wolf
** Kino no Tabi

* Comedy
** Tokyo Godfathers
** Nodame Cantabile
** Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu
** GTO
** Detroit Metal City
** Moyashimon
** Abenobashi Shopping Arcade
** Ouran Koukou Host Club
** Chobits
** Golden Boy

* Statistical achievements:

** IRC Activity badge: A badge that counts the number of lines said by a user in the main channel (this I think should be easy through tessa's stats).
*** The badge could have 8 levels or so by number of lines. Something like 1k lines is level 1 -> 200k lines on level 8

** Tard Badge: A user that gets tarded / subuserd should get all his badges revoked and this one in it's place.

I will add more when I get to it. Please review what is here already and add thoughts and ideas. Also people willing to make those genrelists with me feel free to poke me on irc.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
* Genre packs
** I like the idea of packs. It might actually help people watch more good shows and less crap.
** How would that overlap with the idea of mod-set Anime Classics from the main page? Perhaps as an extension (i.e. a set of Anime Classics badges, one per genre)?
** The biggest problem imo would be how to arrive at reasonable packs, specially considering how people will wage wars to classify shows in this or that genre. I'm not sure if genres are the best way to do it. Perhaps the themes are a better idea. I don't know.
** If you want suggestions of good shows, I know the folks who might help. Poke me on IRC when we're both around and I'll give you the details. 

* Stats
** IRC Activity is nice.
*** Implementation problem: we need to be sure the person using nick X is really person X. We might require Chii authentication for that. Ideas?
** Tard badge... I don't think it's a good idea. Perhaps revoking all badges (or rather hiding them) works, but giving them a badge for being stupid is akin to giving a dumb pilot a medal for shooting many friendly planes. Yeah, doesn't sound so great.
*** Perhaps giving them an unhideable mention (see question about hiding badges) somewhere using the same system, but one that doesn't ''look'' like the badges. You know, a facepalm image in a motivator macro or something similar. 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET)

 
P.S.: Glad you like the layout. I tried to design something that would basically work. :P

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* Genre packs
** For fantasy, I would at least also include a Tales Of ... series; maybe Utawarerumono as well.
** Romance: add Kimi ni Todoke

* Stats
** Wouldn't the IRC badge promote spamming, just to level it up? That said, I spend a decent amount of time on IRC, though I lurk more than actually speak. Do we have an Idle IRC badge?
** Tards should definitely not get a badge. Removing them seems like a good additional punishment, though.

--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:20, 17 January 2012 (CET)

Later addition:
* Genre packs
** Adventure: While I don't know the anime Master Keaton, this category kinda overlaps though. 12K is also adventure, the Tales Of ... series generally are as well. Seirei no Moribito too.
** Horror: Mix of Horror and Gore? Can include Mnemosyne then.
** Shounen Ai and Shoujo Ai genres as well? That said, I don't know enough anime to provide with proper lists of anime.
--[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:30, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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* IRC:
** Ommina's point below regarding IRC badges is interesting. Shitenshi's spamming point is also a problem.

== Pass #2 ==

= Hoerie's ideas =
Guess I'll steal layout too ;-)

== Pass #1 ==
''Genre packs''
* Manly
** Hokuto no Ken
** Kenpuu Denki Berserk
** Mad Bull 34
** Golgo 13
** JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken

''Statistical achievements''
* Consecutive days watching anime. Resets to zero if you don't watch for a day. Might be complicated to implement.

== Responses to pass #1 ==
Consecutive days watching anime might be impossible to implement, and most likely cheating-prone.
--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 01:41, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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Consecutive days watching anime: how about adding a maximum? For example, level 8 would be watching at least one episode (also define episode, do specials/T/C count?) per day for 3 months. Sure cheating is possible, but people adding every possible anime to their mylist are cheating just the same... --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:13, 17 January 2012 (CET)

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IRC talking. Come on. These are badges for ''anime'', not talking in an IRC channel the contents of which typically only touch on anime by accident. To say nothing of the technical limitation of trying to match up IRC nicks (Chii authenticated or not) with site nicks, and completely ignoring the fact that Tessa's data is on a private connection, and not accessible by the collector (hitherto known as Badgers).

I could do category-based badges, but, like Shitenshi, have some concerns over privacy. (Anal badge at level 8, horray!) --[[User:Ommina|ommina]] 07:46, 18 January 2012 (CET)
* lol @ anal badge. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 15:05, 18 January 2012 (CET)

== Pass #2 ==

= Main page feedback =

Thought I'd drop here the questions/notes/comments/feedback I have regarding the mainspace page. 

* Anime achievements
** <s>Is there a difference between "X anime watched" and "X anime episodes watched" in the main page? I noticed you edited some but skipped others. If it's all episode-based, I can put "episode" on everything.</s>
*** I'm dumb, nevermind.
** <s>How are we going to deal with movies and other non-standard episode lengths? Sum up the minutes, or ignore the quirk and move on?</s>
*** An episode is an episode is an episode. Episodes lengths are not taken into consideration. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Are we going to require special episodes, or just regular? I'm personally against special episodes of any kind being in the list; remember there are utterly pointless S episodes, like staff interviews no one gives a fuck about, and other kinds of special episodes are even worse.</s>
*** Only regular episodes are counted. In case the episode count for the anime is known, that count is used. If it is unknown then the number of currently added regular episodes is used. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** About Anime Classics: is there any set of criteria as of now? I think we would do well in integrating that with msr's idea of genre packs. See my replies to msr @ 02:29, 17 January 2012 (CET) and 03:46, 17 January 2012 (CET). (timestamps given for ctrl+f purposes.)
*** Anime Classics are supposed to be chosen "gems" by mods. But we'd obviously take recommendations. At this point in time the only anime on the list for this badge are the "Daicon" specials. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I think hentai badge 1 does not convey the point. Panty shots can be found like anywhere. I think badge 4 is the best, now with 10000% more censorship (great lulz achieved there).</s>
*** Hentai badge 4 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: LoGH badge 1 is the best by far. The Galactic Empire's flag is far more easily recognizable than Reinhard's face. Dunno why, I just think it looks ''better''.</s>
*** LoGH badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: Macross badge 1, please. I might be biased because I hate Minmay, but yeah.</s>
*** Macross badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Mylist achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: The watched eps badge 1 is much better than the second. It's fairly obvious that there's TV watching going on in badge 1, whereas in badge 2 you need to look closely to see the remote control. That's a remote control, right? :)</s>
*** Watched eps badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. And yes, that is a remote. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>Multi-badges: I prefer badge 2 for time wasted, for not being anime-specific, and being generally awesome. <philosophical> Also because watching anime warps your senses of time. ;) </philosophical></s>
*** Time wasted badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Statistical achievements
** <s>Multi-badges: No poo pic for avdumped files. It's funny and all, but it's a bit of a stretch. It might also be NSFW and offensive to sensitive tards.</s>
*** Avdumped files badge 1 is already in use for this anyway. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: I don't really get the review pics... Explain?
*** I've been told that its some guy from Princess Tutu. Go ask DarkIndy13 about details. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** The character is a story writer in the anime; in the actual "The Nutcracker" Drosselmeyer is also a character, though afaik not an author there. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** Multi-badges: AniDB member pic 1, because it's much funnier.
** Does the collector for user rank, level 1, consider the whatever maintainers who aren't modreport checkers?
*** Currently 4 people are set as (non-adv.) users with char relation maintainer status. At least one of them has to deserve the user rank badge more than I do. :)
**** My vote is the 2nd pic; the first one is just silly. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:08, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* One-time achievements:
** Multi-badges: Introduction in forum: pic 1 because Oosaka is much better that way. :P (Fuck, I can't remember her real name! LOL!)
*** I concur, the 1st one is better. --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:10, 17 January 2012 (CET)
** <s>What's the collector? Making a thread there? I'm fairly sure I never made a thread there, but I'm well over 2k posts and I replied to a few thread in that forum. Never too late, I guess... I'll make a mental note to get around to it some time or other. :D</s>
*** The collector is the script that actually pulls all the statistics out of the database. --[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)
**** Sorry, I meant to ask what the collector does for the introduction badge. This weird question was the result of me splitting the introduction badge line into two. --[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 14:56, 18 January 2012 (CET)

* Special achievements:
** <s>Multi-badges: contributing code badge 2, because what's more associated with code than the Matrix? Unrelated: the other badge kind of reminds me of GITS:SAC, but I don't think that's where it comes from.</s>
*** Contributing code badge 2 is already in use for this anyway. The other image is not from GITS:SAC but a Gray Code Wheel.--[[User:Worf|Worf]] 12:03, 17 January 2012 (CET)

* Possibility of hiding specific achievements if the user wants to?
** For instance, users might not want others to have even a clue how much anime they have while still allowing them to see the userpage, so we might want to block anime and mylist achievements.
*** That's particularly true for 18+ anime, which have a hiding option of their own in the profile.
*** The badges could be displayed according to the viewer's permission to see the user's data, which would solve that problem.
**** Another possibility would be having a hiding option "see badges from my userpage" in the profile, which may or may not obey the other restrictions, pending discussion.
** Is there any badge we might want to make un-hideable? 

* More to come? 

--[[User:Hinoe|Hinoe]] 03:21, 17 January 2012 (CET), added a question @ 03:54, derped a few times over afterwards, etc.

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I like the possibility of hiding individual badges (or badges altogether). Some users may not want the achievements on their user page. Others might just not like specific ones. (Or for example, if a Genre badge is implemented, the user has watched enough of that genre to get a level of the badge; however have little intention of watching the other anime part of the genre. And decide to exclude the incomplete achievement from his userpage). --[[User:Shitenshi|Shitenshi]] 12:26, 17 January 2012 (CET)

= BartS' random feedback =

- I'm not happy with the user rank levels. First of all, why is it called "''user'' rank" when the average user without any secondary level won't get one? Right now it should be called "staff rank" or something.

My suggestions for the levels are the following:

-Level 1: user

-Level 2: user + secondary

-Level 3: Adv. user

-Level 4: Adv. user + maintainer (language verifiers and mod report-checkers should be grouped with level 3)

-Level 5: Adv. user + creq handler

-Level 6: mod

-Level 7: senior mod

-Level 8: admin